Right to Work Bill

[Stschil]

As a union electrician I am against the bill. Union jobs need to stay union.

Oh yeah, that's the spirit!

Noone is trying to bust the Younions with this. Just protect people's freedom to choose whether they want to join or not.

I respect trade unions, such as the pipe fitters, electricians, plumbers, etc. These folks educate their membership, keep them informed on laws, codes, rules etc. also, many members are Independant self employed entrepenuers.
I have would have no tears for labor unions that lose out however. I've never had a single UAW worker who could explain to me why someone deserves upwards of $30 an hour for putting Bolt A into Hole B. Why someone should be hired at $18 per hr, fresh out of high school with no experience, no skills, and no higher education. These questions were posed many times to my ex FIL, a 37 yr Chrysler Employee who actually worked approx 1 hr per 12 hr shift, at $43 p/hr. and many of his friends that I met over the years. All I ever got was dumb looks and anger.

 

[Cerberus]

Some of the shoddiest work I've ever witnessed has been from Union shops, and to be honest some of the best has been likewise. Union or non is not a sure indicator of quality.

Being that I HATE anyone being forced to do something they may not wish to do, I must admit that I am for right to work.

 

[hornadylnl]

Im afraid of work being taken from me and my brothers and sisters. That is all. This bill does not affect me directly. I am a chicago guy. But if I chose to transfer it would.

So you want to force others to pay more so you can keep an artificially inflated wage?

 

[ATM]

Im afraid of work being taken from me and my brothers and sisters. That is all.

So this bill would take away an entitlement of work that the unions themselves are owed?

Who would take this work and who owed this work to begin with?

 

[hornadylnl]

Some of the shoddiest work I've ever witnessed has been from Union shops, and to be honest some of the best has been likewise. Union or non is not a sure indicator of quality.

Being that I HATE anyone being forced to do something they may not wish to do, I must admit that I am for right to work.

I work in a non union factory as industrial maintenance man. I'm going to put in the same quality of work whether I'm a $10 an hour temporary laborer or a full time maintenance man making $22 an hour.

It boggles my mind how many temporarys we have come in starting at $10 an hour that I wouldn't pay a plug nickle for and can't understand why they don't get hired on. Why should I expect a raise if I've shown no ability to deserve the better pay?

I started as a laborer at $10.95 an hour, became a welder and I'm now at $22 as a maintenance man. All from taking advantage of opportunities offered by my company. I'm now trying out for an automation tech job. If I get it, I should get some free schooling out of it as well which will position me much better in the job market in the future. I didn't need a union to get where I'm at.

 

[1911 DeadHead]

Maybe I should of just kept my mouth shut. Nobody is forcing to pay anybody. The unions will be crushed if bills like this pass across the country. Then it will be every man for themselves. You stand where you stand, and I'll be over here. I'm not gonna play the debate game.

 

[hornadylnl]

Maybe I should of just kept my mouth shut. Nobody is forcing to pay anybody. The unions will be crushed if bills like this pass across the country. Then it will be every man for themselves. You stand where you stand, and I'll be over here. I'm not gonna play the debate game.

Good riddance to them.

 

[hooky]

Nobody is forcing to pay anybody.

Not true. Prevailing wage laws force that exact thing.

 

[hornadylnl]

Not true. Prevailing wage laws force that exact thing.

You mean you don't form a wage scale committee when you decide to have a new roof put on your house?

 

[hooky]

You mean you don't form a wage scale committee when you decide to have a new roof put on your house?

I just usually hire the company that will do the best job and then pay them according to the highest bid I received. It's only money...

 

[ATM]

Maybe I should of just kept my mouth shut. Nobody is forcing to pay anybody. The unions will be crushed if bills like this pass across the country. Then it will be every man for themselves. You stand where you stand, and I'll be over here. I'm not gonna play the debate game.

I really wanted to know what you believe these bills would impact or if you are opposed simply because the unions themselves oppose them.

I also wonder how many busloads will picket without researching or pondering these questions for themselves.

 

[hornadylnl]

I really wanted to know what you believe these bills would impact or if you are opposed simply because the unions themselves oppose them.

I also wonder how many busloads will picket without researching or pondering these questions for themselves.

I wonder if the unions are hiring temp workers to do the picketing again.

 

[UncleMike]

I belonged to a Union for about two years.
I had no choice since the place was a "closed shop".
In that time I was on strike for four months.
When we got back from the strike I was laid off for eight months because of contracts that were lost as a result of the strike.
During the few short months that I actually worked, the Union took my dues and gave me nothing in return. I wasn't even eligible for strike benefits.
That was 1970 and I've refused to work anywhere that was a Union shop after that.

 

[jetmechG550]

I wonder if the unions are hiring temp workers to do the picketing again.

I would say the majority are hired to protest. I mean, shouldn't they be working instead of protesting?

 

[Caleb]

unions on strike is much like a toddler throwing a temper tantrum...pass the bill!

 

[Cerberus]

Maybe I should of just kept my mouth shut. Nobody is forcing to pay anybody.

BS, I've been in 3 unions prior to realizing the state where I held the jobs were right to work. I was told all three times that it was required to get the job, which I found out later was all lies.

The unions will be crushed if bills like this pass across the country.

Good, can't stand socialist based organizations anyway.

Then it will be every man for themselves.

Stand on your own merits, that's how free folk operate.

You stand where you stand, and I'll be over here. I'm not gonna play the debate game.

Prolly a good thing, you would be outclassed quickly.

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[jblomenberg16]

As a union electrician I am against the bill. Union jobs need to stay union.

How does one determine that a job is a union job? How does the union get ownership of that work?

I generally have no problems with organized labor. There are benefits, such as the training and qualifications you cited, and the union worker also benefits from a collective voice during wage and working conditions. I manage a few Union guys who are some of the hardest workers in our factory.

Unfortunately there are also abuses of the Union and it can be used as a ring of defense to defend poor performance and poor behavior.


The modern day Labor unions needs to rethink their business model. If done right, it can offer a comparitive advantage (refrerence to the training, certifications, etc.) but it must be willing to work in a competitive bidding environment vs. and entitlement environment. The right to work bill is one way that the state can help promote a healthy competition in the labor pool.

 

[ATM]

I just read three bills currently being considered:

Indiana General Assembly
Indiana General Assembly
Indiana General Assembly

They are nearly identical and basically just make it a misdemeanor to require an individual to join or pay dues or fees to a labor organization as a condition of employment.

I'm not seeing anything that steals work, crushes, creates a free-for-all, etc.

 

[1911 DeadHead]

Prevailing wage will plummet. Then everyone will need to work 60hrs a week for a decent pay. Hell lets just throw any OT rates out the window. I admit there is bad things about organized labor.

 

[Bapak2ja]

Having been non union hourly, union hourly, management, and business owner, I prefer the right to work. I have seen injustices on both sides of the fence so I prefer to leave union membership up to the individual - not the state.

Wisdom in plain site. Well said.