President Hussein's Birth Certificate

[CarmelHP]

But can you prove its real??? This could be a well made Soviet copy of the real Ronald Reagan.

Well, at least it's there to look at and decide for yourself.

 

[irishfan]

Well, at least it's there to look at and decide for yourself.

I can make you a copy of Obama's if you want to look at it

 

[Srtsi4wd]

The birth cert issue is a distraction. I want to see everything else that he hasn't released. We know NOTHING about his true history.

If a presidential library is ever built for Obama, the non-fiction shelves will be empty.

I posted this before:

Besides Obama's actual birth documentation, the still-concealed documentation for him includes kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.

The birth cert issue is shaking car keys in front of an infantile public. It keeps people from moving on and saying, 'Fine, it's legit. Lets see everything else.'

 

[rocked]

You don't know how right you are! It is happening.

im not religious but if i ever believed in an anti-christ i would be CONVINCED that its Obama

 

[451_Detonics]

I firmly believe that obama has not released his records because there is substantial dirt in there. When questioned on his transcripts Bush had his published in the papers. The only reason for obama"s refusal to release these documents is he wants to hide something.

 

[schafe]

Reference: FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

Hmmm Do the names Annenberg, Ayres, Soros ring any bells? No opportunity for conflict of interest there,eh? Can't be any ulterior motive of an internet site with the word "fact" in it. These things are what keeps many skeptical.

 

[PatriotPride]

Anyone who thinks that a President need not answer to the people, that he has some right to the position, is not a friend of this Republic.

This. If POTUS wishes it to be a non-issue, he has to but produce the actual certificate and allow it to be reviewed. Methinks when one chooses to run for POTUS and is elected, many privacies are stripped away. He chose his position and the responsibilities that came with it. One wonders if he will ever realize that he is here to serve the people. Based off of his dismal performance, I'd say not. As far as being the Antichrist, I do not believe him to be so. I DO believe that he is working towards that end though...healthcare, big government, microchipping, cozying up to the kings of this world.

 

[Joe Williams]

Partly because it isn't up to the State of HI to divulge that information.

It's private and protected just like yours and mine is.

The subject of that certificate would have to choose to divulge that information.

-J-

Not anymore. At some point, in order to prove that the officer has disobeyed lawful orders, that birth certificate will have to be provided to show that the order stemmed from a lawful source. The prosecution is going to have to prove it's case, and they are going to be unable to do so without producing the document.

 

[llamant]

"Courtesy of the State of Illinois".

Did you ask for it when he was in office? Was it produced while he was in office? When was it posted, after his demise? Is this from his library?

 

[Greenmonsta79]

Obama bin lyin !

 

[E5RANGER375]

Obama bin lyin !

 

[CarmelHP]

Not anymore. At some point, in order to prove that the officer has disobeyed lawful orders, that birth certificate will have to be provided to show that the order stemmed from a lawful source. The prosecution is going to have to prove it's case, and they are going to be unable to do so without producing the document.

Though I think the people have a right to know everything on Obama, and it's a moral imperative for him to comply, I also think there is no remedy in the courts and this officer has no legal basis for his refusal. The orders are lawful on their face, and it's not up to him to determine for himself the legitimacy of those in the chain of command.

 

[CarmelHP]

The birth cert issue is a distraction. I want to see everything else that he hasn't released. We know NOTHING about his true history.

If a presidential library is ever built for Obama, the non-fiction shelves will be empty.

I posted this before:

The birth cert issue is shaking car keys in front of an infantile public. It keeps people from moving on and saying, 'Fine, it's legit. Lets see everything else.'

It's not a distraction, it's a trial balloon. They knew if they could get away with something so fundamental as not showing where he was born, all the other dirt could be kept hidden without repercussions. And now look, you have people falling over themselves to excuse this anti-gun pol on a gun board.

 

[ddenny5]

Even with all the facts in front of you.....even if you were standing there with the same document in your hands.....you would find some reason to continue to doubt what you see.......why? Because you would rather believe what you read on the internet, or hear on TV.

No matter what anyone says you will continue to post this birther garbage.

Flame away! Oh and don't bother reading what is posted below...you are not going to believe it anyways...your mind is closed to the truth.




Reference: FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.



Born in the U.S.A.
August 21, 2008
Updated: November 1, 2008
The truth about Obama's birth certificate.
Summary
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

Analysis
Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Fukino also was quoted by several other news organizations. The Honolulu Advertiser quoted Fukino as saying the agency had been bombarded by requests, and that the registrar of statistics had even been called in at home in the middle of the night.

Honolulu Advertiser, Nov. 1 2008: "This has gotten ridiculous," state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said yesterday. "There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy." . . . Will this be enough to quiet the doubters? "I hope so," Fukino said. "We need to get some work done."
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Fukino said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

Since we first wrote about Obama's birth certificate on June 16, speculation on his citizenship has continued apace. Some claim that Obama posted a fake birth certificate to his Web page. That charge leaped from the blogosphere to the mainstream media earlier this week when Jerome Corsi, author of a book attacking Obama, repeated the claim in an Aug. 15 interview with Steve Doocy on Fox News.

Corsi: Well, what would be really helpful is if Senator Obama would release primary documents like his birth certificate. The campaign has a false, fake birth certificate posted on their website. How is anybody supposed to really piece together his life?
Doocy: What do you mean they have a "false birth certificate" on their Web site?
Corsi: The original birth certificate of Obama has never been released, and the campaign refuses to release it.
Doocy: Well, couldn't it just be a State of Hawaii-produced duplicate?
Corsi: No, it's a -- there's been good analysis of it on the Internet, and it's been shown to have watermarks from Photoshop. It's a fake document that's on the Web site right now, and the original birth certificate the campaign refuses to produce.

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Corsi isn't the only skeptic claiming that the document is a forgery. Among the most frequent objections we saw on forums, blogs and e-mails are:

• The birth certificate doesn't have a raised seal.
• It isn't signed.
• No creases from folding are evident in the scanned version.
  
• In the zoomed-in view, there's a strange halo around the letters.
• The certificate number is blacked out.
• The date bleeding through from the back seems to say "2007," but the document wasn't released until 2008.
• The document is a "certification of birth," not a "certificate of birth."
  

Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.

The Obama birth certificate, held by FactCheck writer Joe Miller​

Alvin T. Onaka's signature stamp​

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The raised seal

Blowup of text​

You can click on the photos to get full-size versions, which haven't been edited in any way, except that some have been rotated 90 degrees for viewing purposes.

The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.

The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response.

The scan released by the campaign shows halos around the black text, making it look (to some) as though the text might have been pasted on top of an image of security paper. But the document itself has no such halos, nor do the close-up photos we took of it. We conclude that the halo seen in the image produced by the campaign is a digital artifact from the scanning process.

We asked the Obama campaign about the date stamp and the blacked-out certificate number. The certificate is stamped June 2007, because that's when Hawaii officials produced it for the campaign, which requested that document and "all the records we could get our hands on" according to spokesperson Shauna Daly. The campaign didn't release its copy until 2008, after speculation began to appear on the Internet questioning Obama's citizenship. The campaign then rushed to release the document, and the rush is responsible for the blacked-out certificate number. Says Shauna: "[We] couldn't get someone on the phone in Hawaii to tell us whether the number represented some secret information, and we erred on the side of blacking it out. Since then we've found out it's pretty irrelevant for the outside world." The document we looked at did have a certificate number; it is 151 1961 - 010641.

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Blowup of certificate number​

Some of the conspiracy theories that have circulated about Obama are quite imaginative. One conservative blogger suggested that the campaign might have obtained a valid Hawaii birth certificate, soaked it in solvent, then reprinted it with Obama's information. Of course, this anonymous blogger didn't have access to the actual document and presents this as just one possible "scenario" without any evidence that such a thing actually happened or is even feasible.

We also note that so far none of those questioning the authenticity of the document have produced a shred of evidence that the information on it is incorrect. Instead, some speculate that somehow, maybe, he was born in another country and doesn't meet the Constitution's requirement that the president be a "natural-born citizen."

We think our colleagues at PolitiFact.com, who also dug into some of these loopy theories put it pretty well: "It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything’s possible. But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over."
In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:

Obama's birth announcement​

The announcement was posted by a pro-Hillary Clinton blogger who grudgingly concluded that Obama "likely" was born Aug. 4, 1961 in Honolulu.​

Of course, it's distantly possible that Obama's grandparents may have planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday. We suggest that those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat. The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.

Update, August 26: We received responses to some of our questions from the Hawaii Department of Health. They couldn't tell us anything about their security paper, but they did answer another frequently-raised question: why is Obama's father's race listed as "African"? Kurt Tsue at the DOH told us that father's race and mother's race are supplied by the parents, and that "we accept what the parents self identify themselves to be." We consider it reasonable to believe that Barack Obama, Sr., would have thought of and reported himself as "African." It's certainly not the slam dunk some readers have made it out to be.

When we asked about the security borders, which look different from some other examples of Hawaii certifications of live birth, Kurt said "The borders are generated each time a certified copy is printed. A citation located on the bottom left hand corner of the certificate indicates which date the form was revised." He also confirmed that the information in the short form birth certificate is sufficient to prove citizenship for "all reasonable purposes."

–by Jess Henig, with Joe Miller
Sources
United States Department of State. "Application for a U.S. Passport." Accessed 20 Aug. 2008.

State of Hawaii Department of Health. "Request for Certified Copy of Birth Record." Accessed 20 Aug. 2008.

Hollyfield, Amy. "Obama's Birth Certificate: Final Chapter." Politifact.com. 27 Jun. 2008.

The Associated Press. "State declares Obama birth certificate genuine" 31 Oct 2008.

Nakaso, Dan. "Obama's certificate of birth OK, state says; Health director issues voucher in response to 'ridiculous' barrage" Honolulu Advertiser 1 Nov 2008.

There is still a great question as to whether it is a Certificate of Live Birth or a Birth Certificate. Also, He was born during the time that both parents had to be U.S. Citizens in order to be granted U.S. Citizenship. Was BHO's father a U.S. Citizen? His grandmother in Kenya has said many times that she was present in Kenya at the time of BHO's birth in Kenya. In addition, he lived in Indonesia which required citizenship of all children going to school. Now, I will say this, If BHO was a Republican the main stream press would have used this to do everything it could to discredit and to disqualify him from running for President. So, for now lets just vote him out in 2012. This is not going anywhere whether it is true or not.

 

[Joe Williams]

Though I think the people have a right to know everything on Obama, and it's a moral imperative for him to comply, I also think there is no remedy in the courts and this officer has no legal basis for his refusal. The orders are lawful on their face, and it's not up to him to determine for himself the legitimacy of those in the chain of command.

Not only is it up to him, it is his duty. We were required to always question the legality of orders given, especially since we were in a career field that may have entailed being given orders to shoot someone. For example, I once ordered an airman riding with me to open fire on someone. The order I gave was legal. In our case, there was no question about my legal status to give such an order, nor about the legality of the order, nor the necessity for it. He chose to disobey the order, a decision that placed the two of us and other Security Policemen in greater jeopardy. Yet, his refusal to obey my lawful order was legal.

 

[CarmelHP]

Not only is it up to him, it is his duty. We were required to always question the legality of orders given, especially since we were in a career field that may have entailed being given orders to shoot someone. For example, I once ordered an airman riding with me to open fire on someone. The order I gave was legal. In our case, there was no question about my legal status to give such an order, nor about the legality of the order, nor the necessity for it. He chose to disobey the order, a decision that placed the two of us and other Security Policemen in greater jeopardy. Yet, his refusal to obey my lawful order was legal.

He's not questioning the legality of his orders. The orders, on their face, are not illegal. That's sufficient, to say that an officer may or should question the authority of those who have obviously been placed in command by competent authority is not only wrong, it is absolutely dangerous. Congress certified the election, the states certified their votes, unless competent authority impeaches and removes the President, he is the Constitutional Commander-in-Chief, end of story.

 

[Joe Williams]

He's not questioning the legality of his orders. The orders, on their face, are not illegal. That's sufficient, to say that an officer may or should question the authority of those who have obviously been placed in command by competent authority is not only wrong, it is absolutely dangerous. Congress certified the election, the states certified their votes, unless competent authority impeaches and removes the President, he is the Constitutional Commander-in-Chief, end of story.

No sir, if Obama is not a natural born citizen, he's not legally ABLE to be certified by Congress. Congress cannot legally violate the Constitution. No matter what Congress has done, no matter what the states have done, the Constitutional requirements for the office of President are clear. If he's not a natural born citizen, he's not, legally, President no matter how long he usurps the office. As for the legality of the orders, if the source of the orders is not authorized to issue those orders, the orders are, on their face, illegal. He's certainly questioning the legality of the orders, on the basis that no legal authority has issued them.

 

[CarmelHP]

No sir, if Obama is not a natural born citizen, he's not legally ABLE to be certified by Congress. Congress cannot legally violate the Constitution. No matter what Congress has done, no matter what the states have done, the Constitutional requirements for the office of President are clear. If he's not a natural born citizen, he's not, legally, President no matter how long he usurps the office. As for the legality of the orders, if the source of the orders is not authorized to issue those orders, the orders are, on their face, illegal. He's certainly questioning the legality of the orders, on the basis that no legal authority has issued them.

That's absurd. He is authorized. Congress may have been laboring under a mistake of fact, but it legally conferred authority. Otherwise, if I thought my captain was crazy or had cheated on his taxes, or committed any other felony, or lied to enter West Point, even absent any proof, just supposition, then I could refuse his orders until an investigation was launched and concluded to my satisfaction? That's high order idiocy and destructive of the military.

 

[Joe Williams]

That's absurd. He is authorized. Congress may have been laboring under a mistake of fact, but it legally conferred authority. Otherwise, if I thought my captain was crazy or had cheated on his taxes, or committed any other felony, or lied to enter West Point, even absent any proof, just supposition, then I could refuse his orders until an investigation was launched and concluded to my satisfaction? That's high order idiocy and destructive of the military.

So, you are saying that the Constitution is merely a guideline, not a legal document?

 

[LEaSH]

For some reason some might think that any number of BO's political rivals might have addressed this questionable birth certificate prior to the elections of 2008.

Was it really something the McCain/Palin group agreed to put off-limits? Why? Wouldn't they be part of this foist for not using it in their campaign?

The big picture tells me they didn't touch it because they knew that their candidates would appear as loony as any of the birthers here.