POTUS plea to respectable gun owners to support "common sense" gun laws

[jamil]

I'd dispute that assumption. Plenty of liberal/progressive type(s) own guns, are enthusiasts, train regularly, and own multiple firearms. From my perspective; If conservatives stood alone in the value(s) of the second amendment, there would have been an amendment banning/restricting guns already in place.

Conservatives alone cannot win this fight. So, no matter whether Johnny Reb or INGO feel about the issue, you're in bed with many liberals on this one. As an aside, I will posit that I believe more conservative are single-issue voters than liberals.

The comment was MOST gun owners are conservative. Not all. That said, given the true representation of liberals in the gun owners community, I'll just say every gun group has to have at least one token liberal.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

All the Things Hillary Clinton Got Wrong in Her Gun Speech - Washington Free Beacon

 

[MisterChester]

I'd dispute that assumption. Plenty of liberal/progressive type(s) own guns, are enthusiasts, train regularly, and own multiple firearms. From my perspective; If conservatives stood alone in the value(s) of the second amendment, there would have been an amendment banning/restricting guns already in place.

Conservatives alone cannot win this fight. So, no matter whether Johnny Reb or INGO feel about the issue, you're in bed with many liberals on this one. As an aside, I will posit that I believe more conservative are single-issue voters than liberals.

To add to this, the younger generation that is into firearms tend to lean to the left more so than older generations. They will be pro-2nd but also be more pro-gay marriage, pro-choice, etc. than the older folk. I'm a gun-owning pro-2nd millennial, and the people I know in this age group with me have tended these ways. They seem to be more libertarian than liberal. This shift has been a long time coming.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Media Happens: Obama Gives His Marching Orders on Guns | The Wilderness? | Viral Politics Done Differently

 

[bwframe]

To add to this, the younger generation that is into firearms tend to lean to the left more so than older generations. They will be pro-2nd but also be more pro-gay marriage, pro-choice, etc. than the older folk. I'm a gun-owning pro-2nd millennial, and the people I know in this age group with me have tended these ways. They seem to be more libertarian than liberal. This shift has been a long time coming.

In other words, ya'll haven't been around long enough to know better?

 

[Birds Away]

I'm not sure I know any respectable gun owners.

 

[seedubs1]

Pretty well describes me. I'm socio-liberal / fiscally-conservative / government handout-conservative. Pretty much, I want the government to just leave people alone.

To add to this, the younger generation that is into firearms tend to lean to the left more so than older generations. They will be pro-2nd but also be more pro-gay marriage, pro-choice, etc. than the older folk. I'm a gun-owning pro-2nd millennial, and the people I know in this age group with me have tended these ways. They seem to be more libertarian than liberal. This shift has been a long time coming.

I try to learn as much as possible from the older generation. Mostly.....what not to do

In other words, ya'll haven't been around long enough to know better?

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Obama WH weighed gun control measures similar to Hillary's but decided they were unworkable

 

[KG1]

I'm not sure I know any respectable gun owners.

I guess if you don't support "common sense" gun laws then you aren't respectable. So in light of that then I'm not sure I know any either.

 

[BugI02]

Legitimate question to all of you. I'm sure someone here knows the answer.

1) Has any single one of these mass murderers been a person that attained their weapon through one of the "loop holes" aka through a personal transaction (say through armslist, etc...)? To my knowledge, they all attained their weapons by either stealing them, through the black market, or legally bought them through FFL's and passed NICS checks.

2) If any of them acquired their weapon through a personal transaction that was not run through NICS (through armslist, etc...), would they have been turned down if they had purchased their weapon at a FFL and had a NICS check done?

I'm really just trying to figure out if any of these mass shootings would have been possibly effected by closing this "loop hole" at all. To my knowledge, none would have been effected.

I don't think the Columbine shooters bought any of theirs legitimately

 

[BugI02]

The comment was MOST gun owners are conservative. Not all. That said, given the true representation of liberals in the gun owners community, I'll just say every gun group has to have at least one token liberal.

Paging MrJ

 

[actaeon277]

And that LEOs would have to give up their own privately-owned guns as well?

In any event, I don't think that the FBI plays these search/seizure games. Maybe the Stasi, erm, DHS?

I just try to point out the sheer enormity of the task. The square miles. The number of houses. The fact that non-gun owners will be affected more than they think. That it's not a one time over and done thing.

Then I can point out that many would be unhappy enforcing such rules. Some may resign. Some may stay on but pass on information. Etc.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

How about cutting to the chase and calling them "Anti-Second Amendment Zones" or "Infringement Zones"? Those terms better convey the breadth of the 2A and our stronger-than-ever "No More Compromises" stance.

Ah, but then it would send the "wrong" message to the PeePul - well the wrong message according to the gun-grabbers, anyway.

 

[cobber]

Didn't want to start a new thread. Here's some common sense for you...

It's our gun culture that's mentally ill - StarTribune.com

 

[CPT Nervous]

Didn't want to start a new thread. Here's some common sense for you...

It's our gun culture that's mentally ill - StarTribune.com

From the article:

Consider the sheriff in Roseburg. He stated quite forthrightly that he would not enforce any federal gun laws, nor would he allow his deputies to do so. And now he is looking in the faces of the mothers and fathers and husbands and wives of the dead. How can he sleep at night? Is he at least a little conflicted?
Sadly, probably not. To him, it wasn’t a gun that killed all those people. It was a person.

And? I don't understand the author's point of view.

 

[MCgrease08]

Didn't want to start a new thread. Here's some common sense for you...

It's our gun culture that's mentally ill - StarTribune.com

Good gravy, that made my head hurt.

 

[Cygnus]

The comment was MOST gun owners are conservative. Not all. That said, given the true representation of liberals in the gun owners community, I'll just say every gun group has to have at least one token liberal.

Ha! I am a token moderate out here. ( Well most view me as a conservative or "right" but fairly socially liberal) In IN I'd be viewed as leaning liberatarian ( NOT to be confused with INGOtarian)

 

[Coach]

Like it or not there are going to be criminals with guns. Even Nazi Germany could not keep guns out of the hands of the people. That being said; if there are going to be shootings it is better that they are gunfights that massacres. What is so hard for people to figure out about that?

 

[The Bubba Effect]

I'm not a respectable gun owner, so he's not talking to me. I'm a meat popsicle.

Having come, take them
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suckit
etc

 

[BugI02]

Ha! I am a token moderate out here. ( Well most view me as a conservative or "right" but fairly socially liberal) In IN I'd be viewed as leaning liberatarian ( NOT to be confused with INGOtarian)

But what ahr ya' considered theyah?