Poll: What's you religious platform...or lack there of?

[LEaSH]

But I'm a self-attoning-wiccan/druid and I dabble in voodoo on the weekends.

Whatever happened to the moonies?

 

[ATM]

okay...so someone tell me how to edit a poll...i'm feeling stupid right now

You'll probably have to PM a MOD.

Don't change it on my account - I'll just ask where are the Mormons next.

 

[shibumiseeker]

But I'm a self-attoning-wiccan/druid and I dabble in voodoo on the weekends.

Whatever happened to the moonies?

Making guns now...

 

[shibumiseeker]

You'll probably have to PM a MOD.

Don't change it on my account - I'll just ask where are the Mormons next.

Don't forget about the Church of the FSM which I'd join if I cared.

 

[Joe Williams]

You'll probably have to PM a MOD.

Don't change it on my account - I'll just ask where are the Mormons next.

And Pagans.

And plain ole heathens. Don't forget the heathens!

 

[groovatron]

While I don't have to agree with your definitions, you have a point about limited options.

okay...I'll make it simple:

atheist: no belief in a god
agnostic: no belief in a god
nontheist: no belief in a god

if these aren't similar enough to lump together, then I don't know what is

 

[ATM]

okay...I'll make it simple:

atheist: no belief in a god
agnostic: no belief in a god
nontheist: no belief in a god

if these aren't similar enough to lump together, then I don't know what is

But by that same broad brush, most all the others could be lumped into "theist: belief in a god."

That would leave only 2 very broad choices.

 

[groovatron]

But by that same broad brush, most all the others could be lumped into "theist: belief in a god."

That would leave only 2 very broad choices.

The other "theists" I listed believe in a very specific set of beliefs...and in affect, different gods and or prophets. They have all stated the specifics of their belief structure. The specifics of my triple play lump are very simple...once again, no belief in god.

 

[groovatron]

But by that same broad brush, most all the others could be lumped into "theist: belief in a god."

That would leave only 2 very broad choices.

for example, Hindus believe in Ganesha, god of success. Christains, on the other hand, do not. This is what makes them different. You cannot make this argument with agnostics/atheists/nontheists.

 

[evansvillethompsongunner]

The other "theists" I listed believe in a very specific set of beliefs...and in affect, different gods and or prophets. They have all stated the specifics of their belief structure. The specifics of my triple play lump are very simple...once again, no belief in god.

So just because it's lacking in belief, atheism or agnosticism non-specific or not-defined?

 

[groovatron]

So just because it's lacking in belief, atheism or agnosticism non-specific or not-defined?

the fact that they are lacking in belief is what makes them similar and essentially the same. How many ways can you not believe in something?

 

[ATM]

The other "theists" I listed believe in a very specific set of beliefs...and in affect, different gods and or prophets. They have all stated the specifics of their belief structure. The specifics of my triple play lump are very simple...once again, no belief in god.

But many agnostics do believe in a god. They simply haven't choosen which god and aren't able or don't care to pursue it any further.

 

[groovatron]

But many agnostics do believe in a god. They simply haven't choosen which god and aren't able or don't care to pursue it any further.

Than that my friend, would make them a theist

 

[evansvillethompsongunner]

the fact that they are lacking in belief is what makes them similar and essentially the same. How many ways can you not believe in something?

Lots of different ways.

Like...

I do not believe this is a statistically-significant poll.

Or...

I do not believe you are a religious scholar.

Or...

I do not believe in your ability to gauge religious belief.

So, that makes three off the top of my head.

 

[groovatron]

Lots of different ways.

Like...

I do not believe this is a statistically-significant poll.

Or...

I do not believe you are a religious scholar.

Or...

I do not believe in your ability to gauge religious belief.

So, that makes three off the top of my head.

Those are all different things. You believing that this is not a statistically significant poll is unrelated to you not believing that I am not a religious scholar, which is unrelated to my ability to gauge religious belief...........

 

[ATM]

Than that my friend, would make them a theist

An undefined theist and/or agnostic allow for the possibility, lacking belief in evidence either way.

Atheists actually have a belief system where there is no god.

 

[groovatron]

Lots of different ways.

Like...

I do not believe this is a statistically-significant poll.

Or...

I do not believe you are a religious scholar.

Or...

I do not believe in your ability to gauge religious belief.

So, that makes three off the top of my head.

oh yeah.....ouch!

 

[mk2ja]

okay...I'll make it simple:

atheist: no belief in a god
agnostic: no belief in a god
nontheist: no belief in a god

if these aren't similar enough to lump together, then I don't know what is

Just to clarify those definitions:

Atheism is "the theory or belief that God does not exist."

An agnostic is "a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God."

There are no entries for "nontheist" or "nontheism" or related terms.

Source: New Oxford American Dictionary (included with my Mac)


They probably should'nt've been lumped together, but what's done is done. I'm just glad the only argument so far is still only about the options in the poll and nobody has degraded it to arguing about "I'm right and everybody else is wrong and you should change your opinion to match mine".

Kudos so far. Keep it up, and this thread might not get locked!

 

[groovatron]

An undefined theist and/or agnostic allow for the possibility, lacking belief in evidence either way.

Atheists actually have a belief system where there is no god.

Well, since I am not a religious scholar and my ability to gauge religious beliefs is lacking, take this with a grain of salt..........An undefined theist and/or agnostic would be an agnostic theist. If someone is an agnostic theist out there, then they are more than welcome to vote for none of the above.

 

[evansvillethompsongunner]

oh yeah.....ouch!

No hard feelings, I just know this doesn't match criterion for valid survey sampling. This is a self-selected, non-random grouping. Useful maybe for INGO demographics - assuming no one is deliberately skewing the poll - but useless for extrapolations to the State-at-large, if that's what you were planning on. Interesting, but not random sampling, sir.