Pentagon to open SEALs, Army Rangers to women

[amboy49]

Have two types of experience with attempting to lift/carry dead weight. The first is with firefighter training during search and rescue. Somewhat more universal, ask deer hunters about their experience(s) trying to load a 175 lb deer in the back of their pick up truck without human or mechanical assistance. Granted a deer is a different configuration because the legs don’t bend once rigor starts to occur, but the effect is the same. Dead weight, as mentioned, is not easily manipulated. Try trying to stand someone up to put them over your shoulder to employ a fireman’s carry. If their legs don’t lock, or support their own weight, getting them vertical ain’t that easy.

 

[actaeon277]

https://www.military.com/daily-news...s-made-it-through-seal-officer-screening.html
The First Woman Has Made it Through SEAL Officer Screening


Because it is being "celebrated" by some.
I'd like to point out..
She didn't complete SEAL training.
She didn't even start SEAL training.

She completed "screening" that determines if you can even start training.
She can go to training.

Which I'd like to point out, has a high percentage of people fail all the time.


Also, there are people saying she's not going to SEAL training because "she's a woman".
No.
She didn't go to training, because it wasn't her first choice.
She was awarded her first choice of field.
She got what she wanted.
Getting her first choice is not a bad thing. It is not being held back.

 

[Trigger Time]

This is all a farce. Women getting Ranger tabs under lowered standards
NOT in combat roles in Ranger Battalions by the way. So NOT even close to being Rangers.
All propoganda. Im so sick of politicians and this gender equality bs.

Ive been drinking so im gonna stop there before i get banned

 

[actaeon277]

This is all a farce. Women getting Ranger tabs under lowered standards
NOT in combat roles in Ranger Battalions by the way. So NOT even close to being Rangers.
All propoganda. Im so sick of politicians and this gender equality bs.

Ive been drinking so im gonna stop there before i get banned

Well, my point is, people are claiming this as a victory.
I guess, in a way, it could be.
But 100 men will pass that same test.
And 80 of those men will fail SEAL/BUDS training.

So, having ONE woman pass the SCREENING, doesn't really mean anything.

 

[Leadeye]

Victory how, and for whom?

It's foolish to lower bar the and consider it a victory, that high bar is what gets those people out of bad situations when things go wrong.

 

[red_zr24x4]

But 100 men will pass that same test.
And 80 of those men will fail SEAL/BUDS training..

To quote the ballad of the green berets
"100 men will test today, but only 3 will win the green beret "

 

[Trigger Time]

Well, my point is, people are claiming this as a victory.
I guess, in a way, it could be.
But 100 men will pass that same test.
And 80 of those men will fail SEAL/BUDS training.

So, having ONE woman pass the SCREENING, doesn't really mean anything.

I dont think out of 100 men who graduate Ranger School only 20 would pass buds. I think thats way off.
Buds gets more hype than it really is. And Ranger school aint no walk in the park.

Ill take 100 SCROLLED Rangers over 100 SEALs any day

 

[actaeon277]

2 different types of actions.
Rangers tend to operate as units large enough to take over airfields, take choke points, and such.
SEALs tend to operate in very small units. Often 2 persons.

 

[Trigger Time]

2 different types of actions.
Rangers tend to operate as units large enough to take over airfields, take choke points, and such.
SEALs tend to operate in very small units. Often 2 persons.

Thats not always true. Rangers operate in smaller units too. And are also attached with other smaller units.
SEALs & Rangers work on the same missions all the time too

 

[Clay Pigeon]

Ill take 100 SCROLLED Rangers over 100 SEALs any day

I'd rather take 20 Marine Raiders........

 

[Trigger Time]

I'd rather take 20 Marine Raiders........

Oh sorry that was out loud

 

[Clay Pigeon]

Oh sorry that was out loud

My 22 year old is a Marsoc Raider, His younger brother plans to be one in the next two years...Both are now on deployment.... I dont sleep much these days, I'll be much happier when both are home.
Theres no cake walk to get through any Special Forces Operations School.....Its not for women or weak men......

 

[Trigger Time]

My 22 year old is a Marsoc Raider, His younger brother plans to be one in the next two years...Both are now on deployment.... I dont sleep much these days, I'll be much happier when both are home.
Theres no cake walk to get through any Special Forces Operations School.....Its not for women or weak men......

Well you should be very proud. No dig at your son's intended. They are some of the best at the tip of the spear. I'm just alittle partial to one
And that's very right! Not for women or weak men. Not on teams

 

[stormryder]

In my opinion, it is a win only if she completes it w/o lowering the standards.
Same job, same training, same standards.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I dont think out of 100 men who graduate Ranger School only 20 would pass buds. I think thats way off.
Buds gets more hype than it really is. And Ranger school aint no walk in the park.

Ill take 100 SCROLLED Rangers over 100 SEALs any day

Does it? I mean having known plenty of Rangers, those dues aren't slouches, and seem to be jacked whenever they come back from deployments, and shirk when back stateside (lol, no comment). But SEALS they seam jacked ALL the time. Sleep Eat And Lift seems to ring true. While both are some of the best warriors we put out, training-wise, it seems BUDs is on other dimensional type ****. Ranger School sure tough as hell, but it's still in the known universe. But that's just my opinion.

 

[Vigilant]

Does it? I mean having known plenty of Rangers, those dues aren't slouches, and seem to be jacked whenever they come back from deployments, and shirk when back stateside (lol, no comment). But SEALS they seam jacked ALL the time. Sleep Eat And Lift seems to ring true. While both are some of the best warriors we put out, training-wise, it seems BUDs is on other dimensional type ****. Ranger School sure tough as hell, but it's still in the known universe. But that's just my opinion.

Ranger School isn’t producing Rangers, it’s producing leaders. The Batts/Regiments produce what TT calls Scroll Rangers, the Special Ops Rangers. Tab “Rangers” come from all over the military to learn leadership in a course. Eventually all Rangers are supposed to go to Ranger School for the tab, but the Scroll is what’s important. For the most part, most women have no business in either Ranger School or in a Ranger Regiment. The standards were lowered in Ranger School for the women to pass. Men who were kicked out didn’t have the same chance.

 

[Leadeye]

I'd rather take 20 Marine Raiders........

My uncle was in Carlson's Raiders during WW2, passed away in 80.

 

[HoughMade]

Does it? I mean having known plenty of Rangers, those dues aren't slouches, and seem to be jacked whenever they come back from deployments, and shirk when back stateside (lol, no comment). But SEALS they seam jacked ALL the time. Sleep Eat And Lift seems to ring true. While both are some of the best warriors we put out, training-wise, it seems BUDs is on other dimensional type ****. Ranger School sure tough as hell, but it's still in the known universe. But that's just my opinion.

A "scrolled" Ranger is an actual member of the 75th Ranger RGT...which is different from passing Ranger school and getting the tab.

Both are impressive, but those with the scroll live the life...and generally, completed RASP.

 

[Kutnupe14]

A "scrolled" Ranger is an actual member of the 75th Ranger RGT...which is different from passing Ranger school and getting the tab.

Both are impressive, but those with the scroll live the life...and generally, completed RASP.

Let's just say, as an Auburn fan, and a military brat, I'm well aware of the difference. Further, when I meet someone who claims to be a Ranger, my first question is "real" Ranger or a tabbed on. To their credit, tabs know better than to lie.

 

[HoughMade]

Let's just say, as an Auburn fan, and a military brat, I'm well aware of the difference. Further, when I meet someone who claims to be a Ranger, my first question is "real" Ranger or a tabbed on. To their credit, tabs know better than to lie.

...and I know better than to claim I was either.