Pence 2024

[jamil]

I don't think Pence is electable as president. I do believe he is a man of strong principles and faith. Maybe that's why I think he is unelectable.

Yes. But, with that smarmy, overly pious speaking style he has, he'd make a good TV evangelist. Every speech I've seen him make I thought he spoke like he was behind the pulpit on Sunday.

 

[BugI02]

Who? Caverjamie?

WTF? So anyone has an opinion on Trump you don’t like they’re just a puppet sent by the overseers to shave points? Is that rational? Or do you have some info no one else has?

So is arguing that a candidate with ZERO chance of winning his party's nomination joining the fray is there for some other reason THAN to shave points off the front runner IS rational? Especially in light of your SURE knowledge, which you often allude to, that the frontrunner is despised by recidivist elements of his own party and those are the very elements propping up the campaign of Pence (and Christie, another 'candidate' with zero chance)?

Is this another of those 'preponderance of evidence is not proof' rabbit holes you're so fond of digging when it suits your purpose?

 

[BugI02]

I don't think that's true. I don't believe Pence thought that switching slates of electors was a legitimate option, because it's not. I doubt it would have caused a civil war, though. I think it would have caused a constitutional crisis. And I think if Pence had done it, it would have soured even more people against Trump.

Biden won the election, whether by hook or crook. Pence, for all his faults is savvy enough to know that the legal theory Trump was trying to exploit was ********. The courts would certainly have ruled against Trump. Pence didn't choose between creeping totalitarianism/socialism over Trump because he did not have that power. No one would have seen that hair brained scheme to switch electors as legitimate except ardent Trumpers.

Alas, all we will ever know about how 'the courts would have ruled' is once again what jamil's opinion is on the matter

If they had gone through with it, at least the matter would be settled by now one way or the other

 

[BE Mike]

So is arguing that a candidate with ZERO chance of winning his party's nomination joining the fray is there for some other reason THAN to shave points off the front runner IS rational? Especially in light of your SURE knowledge, which you often allude to, that the frontrunner is despised by recidivist elements of his own party and those are the very elements propping up the campaign of Pence (and Christie, another 'candidate' with zero chance)?

Is this another of those 'preponderance of evidence is not proof' rabbit holes you're so fond of digging when it suits your purpose?

It is good for the process to have a lot of choices in the beginning. Trump has a lot of loyal conservative supporters, but in the end, I think he can be defeated in the primary. He tends to turn off the majority of folks who tend to vote and brings out a significant number of liberals who would otherwise be glued to their smart phones or playing on a computer somewhere and not be bothered to go to the polls.

 

[1DOWN4UP]

I also think Christie is only PUT there shave points from Trump because of his great debate skills. He too is a puppet IMO.

 

[jamil]

So is arguing that a candidate with ZERO chance of winning his party's nomination joining the fray is there for some other reason THAN to shave points off the front runner IS rational? Especially in light of your SURE knowledge, which you often allude to, that the frontrunner is despised by recidivist elements of his own party and those are the very elements propping up the campaign of Pence (and Christie, another 'candidate' with zero chance)?

Is this another of those 'preponderance of evidence is not proof' rabbit holes you're so fond of digging when it suits your purpose?

Oh jeez man. Give that **** a rest. It's like I occupy your dreams or something. Are you that obsessed? You need a ?

So let's address your logic here about who is irrational. Having zero evidence other than that a person with little support is in the race, the most obvious rationale you can devise is that he's trying to shave points off the frontrunner?

Have you that little imagination that your mind couldn't wander to a more likely explanation? Oh, like it couldn't possibly be to improve his own name recognition. No? Okay, couldn't possibly be to improve his odds of getting appointed to some office for whoever does win. Couldn't be that it's a stepping stone to other ambitions. Oh no. People never run for offices they have no chance of winning for selfish reasons. It's always to shave off points from the front runner. Look back in history. When has anyone who doesn't have a chance in an election ever run for reasons other than to shave off points from the front runner. Selfish reasons have never been the motivation. Nope. It has to be that he's in it shave points from the frontrunner.

I mean maybe that's it. I wouldn't rule it out. But, on the list of possible reasons why a billionaire who has little name recognition would put his name in the hat for POTUS, with no evidence for any motive, I think to shave off points from the frontrunner would be pretty far down the list of guesses. I mean, if you're going for accuracy.

 

[jamil]

I also think Christie is only PUT there shave points from Trump because of his great debate skills. He too is a puppet IMO.

Now that one I can believe.

I think that fat ass pussbag has a pretty tough case of chapped ass, and would like to sink Trump's chances. He makes no secret that he's going after Trump. The evidence I have for that Christie's grudge against Trump is the delicious image seared in my mind of him standing behind Trump with that dejected look a world class asskisser would have, when the person whose ass he kissed won't give him the time of day. Trump put Christi's fat ass behind him to display as a Trophy, because Trump owned him in that moment.

Christi is also the leading chamber-o-commerce choice for Lincoln Project types. I think they understand that they don't outnumber the Trumpers. So put Christie in there as a wrecking ball? Seems high on the list of reasons.

 

[jamil]

Alas, all we will ever know about how 'the courts would have ruled' is once again what jamil's opinion is on the matter

If they had gone through with it, at least the matter would be settled by now one way or the other

It's not just me. Many legal scholars have opined on the topic. And having the matter settled isn't a good reason to have done it.

 

[foszoe]

So is arguing that a candidate with ZERO chance of winning his party's nomination joining the fray is there for some other reason THAN to shave points off the front runner IS rational?

Yes. Both sides do it. It can highlight certain pet causes and perhaps put more of a spotlight on them for platform changes and future voting positions.

But you know that. Not everything is binary.

 

[jamil]

Yes. Both sides do it. It can highlight certain pet causes and perhaps put more of a spotlight on them for platform changes and future voting positions.

But you know that. Not everything is binary.

GASP!

You know that's a trigger phrase, right?

 

[INPatriot]

I listened to every interview but Asa Hutchinson so I will not opine on his interview.

Mike Pence is tone deaf and pretentious. He speaks like he has Divine Right and is carrying on the torch of Reagan like it's 1988. I understand there is a segment of Evangelicals that like him but the electorate has shifted towards populism. I do not think Pence is fake, I think he truly believes what he is saying, but he comes off fake because he is a yes man, a man of the party and, in 2024, the party and the people have never been further apart. The last two minutes of his interview were absolutely painful. As much as I do not care for Pence, he would be strong a Secretary of State, not in a Trump Administration, because he never strays from the script and keeps a poker face.



I found Tim Scott disappointing. He has, after Vivek Ramaswamy, the greatest story to tell. However, he tries to go TV preacher and falls short trying to over impress with style and charism while under impressing dodging questions. He and Pence are vying for the same bloc of voters, but he comes off as more genuine than Pence.



There were no surprises with Nikki Haley. She is articulate and a policy wonk. I thought she did well at the UN, I just do not think she is presidential material. She is running to fill her coffers and elevate her status for a high-level cabinet position, most likely Secretary of State due to her time at the UN. She is pitching foreign policy like it's the 90s, and the base doesn't want 90s foreign policy. I do not dislike Nikki Haley, but I believe she would cave into the Establishment just like she did with the state flag in SC. She is not my cup of tea.



Vivek Ramaswamy has the best story to tell and is the most intriguing candidate in the GOP field to me because I like what he says and has no track record. I vaguely remember parts of an interview here or there but did not really know much about him until he declared. I like having a young entrepreneurial-minded candidate, so many candidates that check similar boxes are progressives. His bread and butter is anti-woke, anti-ESG, I would like to know how much value he places on the Second Amendment. I hope this is not a flash in the pan. I could be wrong; he does not strike me as the type of guy seeking to elevate his status within the party. He appears to be an Oval Office or nothing candidate. The conservative movement needs someone that has Ramaswamy's abilities.



DeSantis is solid and reliable. There are no surprises from him. If this was baseball, he would bat third - the most consistent hitter on the team. My biggest disagreement with DeSantis is that I wish he would have waited until 2028. I don't need him to prove to me that he is a fighter, I have seen plenty in his time in Congress and as Governor. Nobody gets out of a primary with Trump without getting bludgeoned.



This candidate class looks so deep. And it is better than anything the Democrats have to offer, but there are three candidates that resonate with me, the other candidates resonate with the party. The party does not resonate with the people. At all.

To my chagrin, I am let down with candidates pushing same day voting. It seems childish, at this point. I have been converted; I'd rather win than be right on this one. Election season is not going anywhere and if Republicans do not embrace it there will be no republic left to maintain. Democrats focus on ballots, and they know it. Republicans focus on candidates, issues and campaign platforms.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

To my chagrin, I am let down with candidates pushing same day voting. It seems childish, at this point. I have been converted; I'd rather win than be right on this one. Election season is not going anywhere and if Republicans do not embrace it there will be no republic left to maintain. Democrats focus on ballots, and they know it. Republicans focus on candidates, issues and campaign platforms.

This is important. I don’t like how NIL and the transfer portal is affecting college football. But it’s here and those that refuse to figure out how to help you win will go the way of the single wing offense.

 

[KLB]

So is arguing that a candidate with ZERO chance of winning his party's nomination joining the fray is there for some other reason THAN to shave points off the front runner IS rational? Especially in light of your SURE knowledge, which you often allude to, that the frontrunner is despised by recidivist elements of his own party and those are the very elements propping up the campaign of Pence (and Christie, another 'candidate' with zero chance)?

Is this another of those 'preponderance of evidence is not proof' rabbit holes you're so fond of digging when it suits your purpose?

He is more likely to shave points off of the competition than Trump. Trump has his core. None of them are going to be shaved off by any of the other candidates. Instead the remaining voters are split among them.

 

[INPatriot]

This is important. I don’t like how NIL and the transfer portal is affecting college football. But it’s here and those that refuse to figure out how to help you win will go the way of the single wing offense.

You could not have used a better parallel situation to make your point!

 

[MuttX7]

I don't think Pence is electable as president. I do believe he is a man of strong principles and faith. Maybe that's why I think he is unelectable.

Man of principles? Did he ever pay the state back back for the Kiel Brother's clean up?

Pence family's failed gas stations cost taxpayers $20M+

GARDEN CITY, Ind. (AP) — Vice President Mike Pence turns nostalgic when he talks about growing up in small-town Columbus, Indiana, where his father helped build a Midwestern empire of more than 200 gas stations that provided an upbringing on the "front row of the American dream."

apnews.com

 

[jamil]

To my chagrin, I am let down with candidates pushing same day voting. It seems childish, at this point. I have been converted; I'd rather win than be right on this one. Election season is not going anywhere and if Republicans do not embrace it there will be no republic left to maintain. Democrats focus on ballots, and they know it. Republicans focus on candidates, issues and campaign platforms.

This is important. I don’t like how NIL and the transfer portal is affecting college football. But it’s here and those that refuse to figure out how to help you win will go the way of the single wing offense.

It's probably a loser issue, because it's a lot more difficult to articulate why it's important without being labeled "election truther" or whatever. NPR has convinced the masses that if you want an election day back, you're evil. I've had that argument with some left leaning people who say they're independents. They didn't care that Democrats ballot harvesting benefits Democrats a lot more than Republicans. They just say learn how to be better at it then.

I am not giving up on election day though. Maybe the future contains some compromises though. At a minimum, election day needs to be a deadline. For **** sake, if you get a ballot in the mail long before the election, in exchange for that flexibility, get the damn thing in early enough to be vetted in time to be counted on election day. We can't drag out counting until Democrats decide they have enough lead to recall the paid armies of vote harvesters.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

It's probably a loser issue, because it's a lot more difficult to articulate why it's important without being labeled "election truther" or whatever. NPR has convinced the masses that if you want an election day back, you're evil. I've had that argument with some left leaning people who say they're independents. They didn't care that Democrats ballot harvesting benefits Democrats a lot more than Republicans. They just say learn how to be better at it then.

I am not giving up on election day though. Maybe the future contains some compromises though. At a minimum, election day needs to be a deadline. For **** sake, if you get a ballot in the mail long before the election, in exchange for that flexibility, get the damn thing in early enough to be vetted in time to be counted on election day. We can't drag out counting until Democrats decide they have enough lead to recall the paid armies of vote harvesters.

Make no mistake, I think Election Day ought to be a single day. I also think NIL and the transfer portal is an abomination. But that’s not the water we’re swimming in now. Your friends are right, republicans have to learn how to be better.

 

[BE Mike]

Man of principles? Did he ever pay the state back back for the Kiel Brother's clean up?

Pence family's failed gas stations cost taxpayers $20M+

GARDEN CITY, Ind. (AP) — Vice President Mike Pence turns nostalgic when he talks about growing up in small-town Columbus, Indiana, where his father helped build a Midwestern empire of more than 200 gas stations that provided an upbringing on the "front row of the American dream."

apnews.com

How is this Mike Pence's responsibility? I'm glad that I had nothing to do with some relatives' decisions and responsibilities.

 

[MuttX7]

How is this Mike Pence's responsibility? I'm glad that I had nothing to do with some relative's decisions and responsibilities.

He was an owner in the company. Did he just **** out his money or what?

 

[jamil]

Make no mistake, I think Election Day ought to be a single day. I also think NIL and the transfer portal is an abomination. But that’s not the water we’re swimming in now. Your friends are right, republicans have to learn how to be better.

I've said that ballot harvesting is just how it's done now. Republicans are gonna have to learn how to do it. Trump lost by ~6%. And that's with all the things the establishment put into place to help Biden win. Not just harvesting. But if republicans got good at it (DeSantis out-canvassed Democrats in FL) then it's not a huge deficit to overcome. And it doesn't have to happen in hard blue states. They're gonna win anyway. Do it in red states to ensure Democrats don't win there. Do it in purple states to help Republicans win there.