Obamacare: Say goodnight, Gracie...

[ArcadiaGP]

Original story vs the correction

 

[BobDaniels]

Is this current version a full repeal or just obama care 2.0?

 

[T.Lex]

Is this current version a full repeal or just obama care 2.0?

Is there any middle ground, or is this an either-or type thing?

 

[ArcadiaGP]

As House Prepares to Vote, Here's What's Actually in the 'TrumpCare' Bill

Sources are saying House Republicans will head to White House after vote for a "victory event"

Trump has delayed a previously scheduled flight

 

[bwframe]

House passes Obamacare replacement bill - ABC News

 

[BobDaniels]

Is this current version a full repeal or just obama care 2.0?

As House Prepares to Vote, Here's What's Actually in the 'TrumpCare' Bill

Sources are saying House Republicans will head to White House after vote for a "victory event"

Trump has delayed a previously scheduled flight

House passes Obamacare replacement bill - ABC News

Looks like obama care 2.0. Bummer.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Correct. This did not repeal Obamacare.

Bad deal.

Either way - Senate is still in doubt.

 

[bwframe]

Looks like obama care 2.0. Bummer.

I'll take the "REPEALED" symbolism for now to take this from stopped to rolling. This is just the beginning, on top of whatever it might look like to get through the Senate.

I don't care for doing things in steps, but it seems to be the only way to get rid of the stupid . "Preexisting" and "26 year old kids" is gonna have to go, albeit a little at a time.

We need a win, we'll take this for now...

 

[T.Lex]

I'll take the "REPEALED" symbolism for now to take this from stopped to rolling. This is just the beginning, on top of whatever it might look like to get through the Senate.

I don't care for doing things in steps, but it seems to be the only way to get rid of the stupid . "Preexisting" and "26 year old kids" is gonna have to go, albeit a little at a time.

Along with the historic deluge we're experiencing, we can also add hell freezing over; I agree that this is better than what we currently have.

Incrementalism works.

(I disagree in principle with the idea that preexisting and 26 year olds have to go, but that a policy issue that has different costs depending on which direction you go. And yes, those "2" issues are really the same issue: having enough healthy people enrolled to balance the unhealthy ones in a profitable way.)

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Everyone's going to die. Health care is over. There is no more health care, ever again. Zero.

****ing loathe this apocalyptic ****

House Republicans vote to sentence millions of Americans to death

Republicans have beer delivered to Capitol to celebrate end of health care

for the 24 million americans set to lose health care, this is what a death panel actually looks like (photo of paul ryan)

 

[ArcadiaGP]

So, INGO. The big outrage is "pre-existing conditions". We all know it makes no sense for insurance companies to sell you insurance on your house while it's on fire. However...

What is the solution to the high costs of healthcare? Should a cancer diagnosis destroy you financially, if you can even get appointments with specialists? I'm not saying insure everyone... but what can be done about the costs to make this less of an issue/argument?

 

[bwframe]

Again, calling this a win. At the very least, according to those pissed off by it's passing.

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Preexisting can go into Medicare, later private company's plans bolstered by tax incentives

 

[actaeon277]

So, INGO. The big outrage is "pre-existing conditions". We all know it makes no sense for insurance companies to sell you insurance on your house while it's on fire. However...

What is the solution to the high costs of healthcare? Should a cancer diagnosis destroy you financially, if you can even get appointments with specialists? I'm not saying insure everyone... but what can be done about the costs to make this less of an issue/argument?

Well, I understand that having a pre-existing condition should make the insurance higher.
So, insurance shouldn't be able to drop anyone. Anytime.
If you get insurance through your employer, and you get a new job, the insurance company should have to continue the policy, provided someone (you or the new employer pays) pays.

 

[T.Lex]

Preexisting can go into Medicare, later private companies plans bolstered by tax incentives

Mostly this. We have gov't sponsored health care for people with no money, and older people who are more likely to have pre-existing conditions. Moderate expansion of those programs, to the extent necessary, would make this a non-issue.

Again, having more young, generally healthy people paying for insurance will balance the financial issues created by unhealthy people. There are 2 parts (simplified) to this equation.

 

[rw02kr43]

Forcing more young healthy people to pay for something they don't want or don't need will make this all work.

Jason

 

[actaeon277]

Forcing more young healthy people to pay for something they don't want or don't need will make this all work.

Jason

Well, I think shame on them. If they need insurance, but failed to get it, it's their fault.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

So, INGO. The big outrage is "pre-existing conditions". We all know it makes no sense for insurance companies to sell you insurance on your house while it's on fire. However...

What is the solution to the high costs of healthcare? Should a cancer diagnosis destroy you financially, if you can even get appointments with specialists? I'm not saying insure everyone... but what can be done about the costs to make this less of an issue/argument?

This is a big deal. I understand why so many want to preserve this. We are in the paradigm that insurance or government must pay for medical care because of its expense so we try to rearrange the deck chairs trying to figure out who we can get covered and all that goes along with socializing insurance coverage. There's got to be things we can do to bring costs down. It'd be one thing to insure ourselves for catastrophic events like a cancer diagnosis or a heart problem. It's another thing that we can't afford typical prescriptions, office visits, and run of the mill tests we get to figure out if we have more pedestrian illnesses. As long as we remain in this insurance-pays-for-everything-medically-related paradigm, this is never going to end.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Mostly this. We have gov't sponsored health care for people with no money, and older people who are more likely to have pre-existing conditions. Moderate expansion of those programs, to the extent necessary, would make this a non-issue.

Again, having more young, generally healthy people paying for insurance will balance the financial issues created by unhealthy people. There are 2 parts (simplified) to this equation.

Taxation is theft.

 

[jamil]

Is this current version a full repeal or just obama care 2.0?

Looks like obama care 2.0. Bummer.

As T.Lex said, it depends if you think anything short of full repeal is just Obamacare 2.0.

I don't know why anyone would be surprised that this falls well short. A full repeal isn't legislatively possible. Among Republicans there are conservatives, moderates, and even a few liberals holding seats. They all have to go home to their conservative, moderate, and liberal districts, where public opinion widely varies. There is not wide public support for full repeal. There is overwhelming support for "fixing" healthcare. There is not a lot of support for any detailed definition of what "fixing" means. To me "fixing" means repealing Obamacare and whatever other laws restrict market based healthcare. But to some, "fixing" means single payer.

 

[jamil]

This is a big deal. I understand why so many want to preserve this. We are in the paradigm that insurance or government must pay for medical care because of its expense so we try to rearrange the deck chairs trying to figure out who we can get covered and all that goes along with socializing insurance coverage. There's got to be things we can do to bring costs down. It'd be one thing to insure ourselves for catastrophic events like a cancer diagnosis or a heart problem. It's another thing that we can't afford typical prescriptions, office visits, and run of the mill tests we get to figure out if we have more pedestrian illnesses. As long as we remain in this insurance-pays-for-everything-medically-related paradigm, this is never going to end.

Obamacare could be repealed and this general problem would still exist. It's existed for at least 30 years.