No great loss

[Liberty1911]

Liberty1911 hates me on the Internet. I won't be able to sleep tonight.

I noticed all the rancor against Inouye escaped your notice.

LOL. I don't hate you. Although you do seem to be a drama queen, cf my histrionics comment above.

As to the Inouye rancor. I must have missed the racial comments, other than yours of course. If you can point those out, I'll be happy to condemn them.

Can you? Or were you the only one race-baiting and making comments about "slanted eyed" Japanese?

 

[hornadylnl]

Don't know why I'm bothering since you already intimately know my character.

No loss is right.

Maybe now he understands how wrong his stance was on gun ownership...seen the light so to speek.

True. It is a shame that he walked away from being a patriot to become what he became.

**** off. Had he stopped while still honoring the oath he took, I would agree. Even the most meritorious service does not change the fact that he moved from supporting and defending the Constitution to becoming an enemy of our rights. That is inexcusable. Benedict Arnold also was responsible for some very meritorious service before changing direction.

If I had said any of the above, you'd be picking me apart like you do every time I post.

People like Sen Inouye always baffle me.

Granted, he's a war hero for his service.

What baffles me is how someone like that can advocate the same ideals of statism that he fought against.

Maybe we assume his reasons for fighting were the same as ours would have been, and they're simply not.

There are war heroes, and there are American heroes. Those two are not always the same.

What baffles me is there were those who wanted to fight the Germans and Japanese to protect our freedoms yet supported the internment of an entire race of people.

This response is to your post. Again, why would a man who was despised by some solely for being born of Japanese descent want to risk his life to protect the liberties of those who hated him? Do you think there are not any who exist today who would do the same to preppers, gun owners, Christians, etc?

I don't disagree.

You should educate yourself on the issue though. There were some notable people who opposed FDR's order.

There were also German-American citizens interred during WWI. No one remembers them though since it doesn't fit the America-is-racist-toward-nonwhites-only narrative. A narrative you seem to love promoting.

The larger point is that when you have statists running the country, you get statist policies, including oppression of citizens. Funny how FDR is a demi-god to many people but they gloss over his internment of American Citizens and blame "America" instead.

I blame the government who instituted the internment camps and the Americans that openly supported it or stood by and did nothing while it happened.

There you go with your mind reading again. My issue with the 100,000+ Japanese being interred has nothing to do with race. They just happened to fit the category of the current group to hate. You can substitute Japanese with gun owners, brunettes, red heads, short people or whatever. A significant portion of the population supported the internment and the government did it. I fear the public mindset that is willing to put chains on an individual for simply being part of a demographic more than I fear a single senator's anti gun votes. I wonder how many of those interred American citizens were allowed to posses their guns.

My point in this isn't about race or race baiting but you'll never believe that. My point is that people that fit in the evil demographic of the day were rounded up for no other reason than being from that demographic.

LOL. I don't hate you. Although you do seem to be a drama queen, cf my histrionics comment above.

As to the Inouye rancor. I must have missed the racial comments, other than yours of course. If you can point those out, I'll be happy to condemn them.

Can you? Or were you the only one race-baiting and making comments about "slanted eyed" Japanese?

So none of the first few quotes in this post were rancor? There were other posters in this thread who felt that it was.

 

[Liberty1911]

Don't know why I'm bothering since you already intimately know my character.

If I had said any of the above, you'd be picking me apart like you do every time I post.

Who's mind reading now?

This response is to your post. Again, why would a man who was despised by some solely for being born of Japanese descent want to risk his life to protect the liberties of those who hated him? Do you think there are not any who exist today who would do the same to preppers, gun owners, Christians, etc?

As I said, I don't know why. The larger question posed here was why would someone who did defend those liberties, then support the very same types of socialist policies of the people he fought against, which deny those liberties?

I blame the government who instituted the internment camps and the Americans that openly supported it or stood by and did nothing while it happened.

Great, then make some points about that. And, as I said before, educate yourself and recognize that there were some prominent Americans who opposed it.

My point in this isn't about race or race baiting but you'll never believe that. My point is that people that fit in the evil demographic of the day were rounded up for no other reason than being from that demographic.

Then why race-bait? I might actually agree with your POV if you would actually make a point instead of race-baiting.

So none of the first few quotes in this post were rancor? There were other posters in this thread who felt that it was.

My comment to you was about race-baiting. None of the posts you quoted said anything about "slanted-eyed" Japanese. That was you. Why don't you just admit you were race-baiting people and apologize? As I've said before, you may have some good points to make, but they get lost in your diatribes against imaginary straw men, and in this case, lost in your race-bating demagoguery.

 

[cosermann]

"Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, and let not your heart be glad when he stumbles." Prov. 24:17

 

[hornadylnl]

Who's mind reading now?


I'm not mind reading. Just making observations on your comments.

As I said, I don't know why. The larger question posed here was why would someone who did defend those liberties, then support the very same types of socialist policies of the people he fought against, which deny those liberties?

Inouye supported putting gun owners in internment camps?


Great, then make some points about that. And, as I said before, educate yourself and recognize that there were some prominent Americans who opposed it.

I never blamed "America". I blamed those who supported it.


Then why race-bait? I might actually agree with your POV if you would actually make a point instead of race-baiting.

My posts weren't intended to race bait anyone here.

My comment to you was about race-baiting. None of the posts you quoted said anything about "slanted-eyed" Japanese. That was you. Why don't you just admit you were race-baiting people and apologize? As I've said before, you may have some good points to make, but they get lost in your diatribes against imaginary straw men, and in this case, lost in your race-bating demagoguery.

Again, my posts weren't intended to race bait anyone here. I don't think anyone here supported the interment of the Japanese and my posts weren't intended to say that anyone here did. You took that ball and ran with it unless you know better what I'm thinking than I do. If you think I'm trying to bait you, I won't apologize because I'm not.

The fact is that there were Americans and a government that did. What level did any of those opposed to the internment go to stop it? Again, I'm not outraged that the Japanese were interned because of the fact that they were Japanese. I'm outraged at the fact that a people and a government who claim to be about liberty would lock someone up for the sole reason they fit a particular demographic.

So, did the posts I quoted for you contain rancor? Other INGOers thought so.

 

[hornadylnl]

"Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, and let not your heart be glad when he stumbles." Prov. 24:17

I honestly agree as well. That's why I focus on a kid's rights being violated and not the condition of the kid's mouth.

 

[Liberty1911]

Again, my posts weren't intended to race bait anyone here. I don't think anyone here supported the interment of the Japanese and my posts weren't intended to say that anyone here did. You took that ball and ran with it unless you know better what I'm thinking than I do. If you think I'm trying to bait you, I won't apologize because I'm not.

The fact is that there were Americans and a government that did. What level did any of those opposed to the internment go to stop it? Again, I'm not outraged that the Japanese were interned because of the fact that they were Japanese. I'm outraged at the fact that a people and a government who claim to be about liberty would lock someone up for the sole reason they fit a particular demographic.

So, did the posts I quoted for you contain rancor? Other INGOers thought so.

Thanks, I'm glad you finally made a clear statement of your point of view.

It's good to know that you don't think anyone here supports internment.

I'm also glad to know you didn't intend to race-bait anyone, so in the future, hopefully we won't see anymore comments from you about people being "slanted-eyed".

As far as what contemporary people did to oppose the internment, that's where you need to educate yourself. One example would be a governor who sacrificed his political career. I'll let you do the research to learn more.

Admittedly though, how much could anyone do against an executive order during war time? What exactly would you do besides as you said "point and laugh" at those being hauled away? I suspect you'd do what most American's did in the 1940's. Nothing.

 

[hornadylnl]

Thanks, I'm glad you finally made a clear statement of your point of view.

It's good to know that you don't think anyone here supports internment.

I'm also glad to know you didn't intend to race-bait anyone, so in the future, hopefully we won't see anymore comments from you about people being "slanted-eyed".

As far as what contemporary people did to oppose the internment, that's where you need to educate yourself. One example would be a governor who sacrificed his political career. I'll let you do the research to learn more.

Admittedly though, how much could anyone do against an executive order during war time? What exactly would you do besides as you said "point and laugh" at those being hauled away? I suspect you'd do what most American's did in the 1940's. Nothing.

So no rancor in those posts I quoted?

For evil to triumph, all it takes is for good men to do nothing.

 

[Liberty1911]

So no rancor in those posts I quoted?

For evil to triumph, all it takes is for good men to do nothing.

Another straw man. I was addressing race-baiting. Any race-baiting in those posts?

 

[hornadylnl]

Another straw man. I was addressing race-baiting. Any race-baiting in those posts?

Any rancor? You're the rancor police. Just trying to find out if your only fixated on me or if you call it evenly. I asked if they contained rancor and you won't answer.

 

[hornadylnl]

BTW, the next group of Americans rounded up for political purposes should expect the same support from the Japanese Americans that they received.

 

[Liberty1911]

Any rancor? You're the rancor police. Just trying to find out if your only fixated on me or if you call it evenly. I asked if they contained rancor and you won't answer.

LOL. Don't be paranoid and stick to the topic at hand. Just because I make a comment about something in one thread, doesn't mean I have to make the same comment in every thread.

As to not answering: Did any of those comments include race-baiting? Or were you the only one? I'll be glad to be consistent and condemn anyone else race-baiting in this thread. Is there anyone else besides you?

 

[Liberty1911]

BTW, the next group of Americans rounded up for political purposes should expect the same support from the Japanese Americans that they received.

LOL. I guess you're now the official Japanese-American spokesperson.

To clarify then, do you mean the Japanese who actually went to internment camps, their descendents, or both?

 

[hornadylnl]

LOL. Don't be paranoid and stick to the topic at hand. Just because I make a comment about something in one thread, doesn't mean I have to make the same comment in every thread.

As to not answering: Did any of those comments include race-baiting? Or were you the only one? I'll be glad to be consistent and condemn anyone else race-baiting in this thread. Is there anyone else besides you?

who tries to turn nearly every thread I post in to a thread about me? So you're fixated on me. I'm flattered. I really am. Stick with the race baiting angle all you want. You have no clue what makes up my character and your opinion of it has no bearing on me.

 

[hornadylnl]

LOL. I guess you're now the official Japanese-American spokesperson.

To clarify then, do you mean the Japanese who actually went to internment camps, their descendents, or both?

I'm not speaking for them. Only stating what others deserve. But I'm sure most of them and their descendants will prove better than those who chose to do nothing. 100,000+ lived it and I'm sure they won't want to see others do the same.

 

[Liberty1911]

who tries to turn nearly every thread I post in to a thread about me? So you're fixated on me. I'm flattered. I really am. Stick with the race baiting angle all you want. You have no clue what makes up my character and your opinion of it has no bearing on me.

LOL. Don't be such a drama queen. Besides, it's not really my opinion, more like observations about what you're actually saying.

 

[hornadylnl]

LOL. Don't be such a drama queen. Besides, it's not really my opinion, more like observations about what you're actually saying.

So you're still talking about me?

 

[Liberty1911]

I'm not speaking for them. Only stating what others deserve.

Ah, now we're back to rancor. We're all touched by your compassion toward people who you feel "deserve" to be rounded up and hauled away to internment camps. As you say, you'll be "pointing and laughing" as they're hauled away. Why all the hatred toward others?

But I'm sure most of them and their descendants will prove better than those who chose to do nothing. 100,000+ lived it and I'm sure they won't want to see others do the same.

And, we'll throw in some judgmentalism for good measure. So, their descendents are "better". Got it.

 

[hornadylnl]

LOL. Don't be paranoid and stick to the topic at hand.

 

[HoughMade]

The man served his country and suffered wounds in a war during which his fellow countrymen labeled him an "alien", and he's continued to serve till the day of his death. You may disagree with his politics, but his passing merits respect, as one would give to any soldier of that generation.
I, and many others of my generation, will miss this hero greatly.

Agreed