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PatriotPride
Shooter
Serious fail. Do your research properly, then come and discuss the issue---WITHOUT insulting members of this board. Think you can handle that?
By the way...do a bit more research into other nations' firearm bans. You'll see that crimes are simply committed with other weapons...for example, research England and their stabbing statistics.
PatriotPride
Shooter
E5RANGER375
Shooter
see! I knew there was someone here that could be smart enough to play on my level
E5RANGER375
Shooter
With respect to England, you do know they are THE MOST VIOLENT country in all of Europe, right? more than 26% of Britons will be the victim of a crime this year, and is 3rd in the world in citizens victimized by crime. Australia is number 1, and New Zealand number 2 on that same list. That makes the UK, New Zealand and Australia, three first world countries, higher on the list of criminal victimization of its citizens than even South Africa, long considered one of the most dangerous places on the planet. For reference sake, the US is number 15. So where exactly are you getting your figures? In the year 2000, 2 years after the Uks ourtight ban on guns, and strict enforcement of new rules as pertains to licensure and issuance of rifle and shotgun certificates, robbery rates climbed exponentially to a high of almost 1 MILLION robberies in one year. In contrast, the highest that number has ever been in the united states was in 1991, with robberies totaling 657,000. That was long before the adoption by most states of liberal carry laws. Also consider that at the time US population was roughly 270 Million, while the UKs current population is roughly 60 million. The Australian state of Queensland saw a 300% increase in gun related crime within 1 year of their ban on firearms. After their gun ban experiment in Australia, home invasions increased by almost 60% in one year. Not only that, but as mentioned earlier, the ban on guns led to an increase in bladed weapon attacks. So much so that the Australian parliament banned ownership of certain bladed weapons (swords in particular) by the populace in general.
I'm not trying to rain on your parade, but I'd certainly do some more investigating the facts before you go off blithely proclaiming something as fact when it couldn't be further from the truth. If you'd like documentation, ask, and I'll be glad to provide it. You can start here though....
Total crime victims statistics - countries compared - Nationmaster
UK More Violent Than Either South Africa or The USA
[pdf link] Gun Control Around The World
And of course there is always "More Guns, Less Crime, 2010 edition" by John R. Lott, Jr.
The fact is the commomnly held misconception that Europe and other countries with draconian gun laws are safe havens full of hippies with flower baskets is hogwash. They are the most crime ridden places in all the first world.
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SemperFiUSMC
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Philosophically I'm not sure I agree with this statement. If this were true why when anyone could own a machine gun in 1930 could Dillinger, Nelson, Floyd, Bonnie & Clyde, etc. have been able to rob as many banks and trains as they did? Because they were criminals who were willing to commit murder, and the other machine gun owners were not.
Crime and criminals is primarily a function of population size and socio-economic factors. A certain percentage of any population have no respect for the property rights of others. We call this group criminals (which includes the sub-groups politicians and bureaucrats).
There will always be violent criminal acts. Predators will better select their prey. That's all. I don't support gun control for a lot of reasons, and I believe anyone should be able to make or possess a machine gun. I don't agree with your premise.
SemperFiUSMC
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It's OK Ranger. I saw the tear in yur eye and thanked him properly for you.
BTW, sounds like you guys got your black beret back.
Exactly! Stabbings increased in England to the point where they introduced the "anti-stab knife."
Totally Ridiculous: An Anti-Stab Knife | Fast Company
I'm just guessing, as anyone else would be. Even though John Lott has shown that crime was reduced after shall carry was implemented, he can only show correlation - he can't prove causation. There have been many other factors at work.
So, I'm offering only opinion, nothing to back it up, other than my own mind - which does, I'm forced to admit - resemble a steel trap. And not the humane kind, either.
E5RANGER375
Shooter
, thanks. i will have to find out. i think they are still keeping the black beret for dress, so the Rangers wont drop the tan now I dont think. Its ok, they can never take our scrolls away.
i will have to find out. i think they are still keeping the black beret for dress, so the Rangers wont drop the tan now I dont think. Its ok, they can never take our scrolls away.
Threadjack Alert!
It's about time they ditched the beret. No berets for legs!
Back in the day when I wore the maroon beret, it just wasn't even fair to the ladies.
I never liked the patrol cap. Gotta hand it to the jarheads on that one - your patrol caps (or whatever you call them) look sharp.
SemperFiUSMC
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cover or headgear. Marines don't wear hats or caps.
That's how is used to be, but that was before 7-11's. You could buy dynamite at the hardware store too.
And it was safer then.
Cross-cultural/national comparisons are difficult because there are so many factors at play, one can point to Japan as an example on one end of the spectrum and to Switzerland as an example on the other end.
The most useful comparisons are within our own country where those other factors cancel out more. Historically as I alluded to above. State vs. State. Etc. It's also useful to compare what happened in other countries, i.e. U.K. and Aus. before/after their bans. You'll find violent crime increased measurably.
I think the evidence is pretty clear (in addition to being common sense): More guns = less crime.
Until the rules change and YOU'RE no longer a proper person.
The Bill of Revocable Privileges is alive and well. Once the government can take something away, for ANY reason, it's no longer a right - it's a privilege.
So many people just don't get it.
spearheadersarge
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You have to admit that if you do something bad and go to jail for more than 1 year ( the definition of a felony ) that it is ridiculous once time served that you can not ever posses a gun again, even if your offense had nothing to do with a gun related crime! I mean a goood ole Southern boy can't live a weekend beer bender without shooting something, right? I think time served should be enough, period. If the crime was that bad, the person wouldn't be getting released anyway.
