Newt Gingrich on the issues

[Expat]

Did you type that with a straight face? You really just admonished people for not staying on the focus of a thread?

Brass ones.

Man, you've been the punisher the last few weeks.

Yet, when I brought up that Paul took money from a white supremacist group it was no big deal. So...is Paul in bed with the Klan? Or is it not what you do...but who you are to Rambone?

And for the record...I think Gingrich is a slime.

You don't like anyone do you.

 

[chraland51]

I do not know who I will vote for in the primary election. The candidates had attacked and trashed each other so much that that I do not have a clue as to which one best suits the current needs of the country. I think these debates have been more hurtful than helpful. With so much exposure and the stupidity of letting liberals moderate the debates, the individual flaws and short-comings are exposed and probably exaggerated. I really think that the repukelicans are just as selfish and corrupt as the democreeps. I have been very suspicious as to why they never cry foul when they should be screaming at the top of their lungs. I am getting a better idea of the reason now that this legal insider trading racket has been exposed. They are all in cahoots and we just have to face it. What we can do about it, I do not have a clue. We have allowed them to become this way like a spoiled child. Just my two cents.

 

[Zoub]

Did you type that with a straight face? You really just admonished people for not staying on the focus of a thread?

Brass ones.

I just sprayed milk through my nose when I read this and I have not drank any milk since yesterday.

Rambone, let me rephrase it for you. Make at least 40% of your diatribe content AKA INGO Wikipedia posts contain POSITIVE info on any candidate you attack. To do this effectivley you will have to cut yoru totalcontent by 50% then carefully pick the points you want to make.

Refusing to do so makes you look like an extremist and a blind follower. Followers have agendas, just like those who bend Islam to fit their agenda. Same goes for Liberals, Socialists, Communists, Catholic heirarchy, and Football coaching staffs. You are seen by many in the same light.

Logical thinkers have to see all 360 degrees in the circle, not just far Left, far Right, Libertarian or Hippie perspectives.

If everyone at the table agrees someone is redundant. You want everyone to agree with you, you have become argumentative and redundant. I will contact RP's staff and ask them to approach you about stopping all of this.

 

[rambone]

Rambone, let me rephrase it for you. Make at least 40% of your diatribe content AKA INGO Wikipedia posts contain POSITIVE info on any candidate you attack. To do this effectivley you will have to cut yoru totalcontent by 50% then carefully pick the points you want to make.

Zoub, its too late for me. You best move on. I'm an extremist. I won't be able to comply with the Zoub-Gingrich Fairness Doctrine of 2011. I'll leave it to someone else to campaign for Newt. When the bad points are so numerous, the good points can't be trusted either.

 

[Mkidwe01]

So rambone if Paul does get the nomination and doesn't run third party, what are you going to do. Obviously you dont like all the others, so will you sit out the election

 

[Zoub]

Zoub, its too late for me. You best move on. I'm an extremist. I won't be able to comply with the Zoub-Gingrich Fairness Doctrine of 2011. I'll leave it to someone else to campaign for Newt. When the bad points are so numerous, the good points can't be trusted either.

I don't campaign for anyone, on the other hand, that is all you do. In your imaginary world I do because I often point to your myopic views being skewed. I use to live very close to Newt, doubt he gets my vote. I can point out positives and negatives for each person. I do it for a living and have done it thousands of times.

Every hire is a risk. The question is which ones are the best investments? Which ones are the best clay that will be molded in to the best end result? Sometimes you get the perfect hire, sometimes you have to settle for a "will do."

Your answer is Paul. For Paul to win he has to sway people from left of center that he is the answer. He has a hard enough time accomplishing that in this conservative friendly forum. You need us, we don't need you. You fail to see that. So I contacted RP's camp and asked them instead.

You seem to think if you draw people in to an argument you will win and they will be swayed. At what point do you acknolwedge failed tactics and try something new? December 2012 so you can claim you are not responsible for what happens next? Like Obama does now for anything pre 1/1/09. That is not how you build trust.

I can usually tell when someone changes their meds but I am not seeing it with you and of course I don't see you in real life.

 

[public servant]

You don't like anyone do you.

No. I'm an equal opportunity hater.

Actually, yes I do. Unless you're in front of me at Wal-Mart paying on your damn lay-away.

 

[24Carat]

No it is lame to think we are all so F'n stupid that we would not see him telegraphing his punch from the first post on.

All the candidates are prominent. You are talking about a handful of people out of 300 million plus. That makes every one of them prominent. R.Bone only trashes a person once they surpass R.Paul's numbers. He does that 100% of the time.

Since Paul Can't win and Newt, Cain, Romney or Perry are out for Paulinians then who do they want? You can't trash and thrash everyone down beneath the one you want. Negative selling is not selling and you can't win a multi-front war. When Perry puked, Newt bounced, not Paul. Paul is done. Some have said Obama, some said 3rd party.

Some just trash all comers. That's not intelligent discourse and it won't change a thing.

If you want Paul, sell Paul. Doing that may actually make a difference.

This is the most concise summary of thought in this whole thread. Now my head won't explode. Repped when I can, thank you !!

 

[rambone]

I can point out positives and negatives for each person. I do it for a living and have done it thousands of times.

Fascinating. I can't believe you are willing to provide your services to me free of charge. Care to give me your analysis of Newt Gingrich? That's what the thread is about. I'll try to make the title less ambiguous next time.

 

[Zoub]

Fascinating. I can't believe you are willing to provide your services to me free of charge. Care to give me your analysis of Newt Gingrich? That's what the thread is about. I'll try to make the title less ambiguous next time.

No we made it about you, because that is what it really is all about.

If you define They I will define We.

 

[steveh_131]

So you do admit your modus operandi is specifically to trash the candidates your fellow INGOers support if that candidate is not Ron Paul?

I admit that my modus operandi is to discuss issues where people here will disagree.

If I wanted to preach to the choir and get a bunch of pats on the back then I would just start another OWS thread about how much litter they produce. But that does not interest me.

 

[rambone]

No we made it about you, because that is what it really is all about.

If you define They I will define We.

So you are here to purposefully derail discussion and make things personal about me.

Keep on trollin Zoub.

 

[dross]

This bears repeating a lot:

If you can't make your case here, how can you make it to the sheeep? Or from your perspective, the other sheep.

When your delivery drives away even people who've said they'd vote for your guy, do you think you're effective?

To win an election, you must have a big tent. That means you can't be a purist. Do you guys really believe therell come a day when a majority will be as pure as you? When even those who like your guy don't make the grade?

We should publish these threads in a book and call it why libertarians opinions will never matter.

 

[Zoub]

So you are here to purposefully derail discussion and make things personal about me.

Keep on trollin Zoub.

It is more like a mirror into your soul.

I observed your tactics in other threads and then applied them to you in your threds. You don't like it? Lead by example, hold yourself to a higher standard. You have to earn respect.

 

[Zoub]

This bears repeating a lot:

If you can't make your case here, how can you make it to the sheeep? Or from your perspective, the other sheep.

When your delivery drives away even people who've said they'd vote for your guy, do you think you're effective?

To win an election, you must have a big tent. That means you can't be a purist. Do you guys really believe therell come a day when a majority will be as pure as you? When even those who like your guy don't make the grade?

We should publish these threads in a book and call it why libertarians opinions will never matter.

This starts to cross over into the fact there are those who will defend the 1st ammendment for all and then there are those who will defend it just long enough to get in charge so they can decide who gets put up against the wall and shot.

Most ardent followers of any belief have a hard time seeing themselves as anyones enemy. They are blessed with clarity of thought. Then they pound their shoes on the table and the shooting starts.

The circle closes and history repeats itself.

 

[hornadylnl]

Looks like the Rambone lynch mob is back.

If a tree falls in a woods and there's no one around to hear it, does it make a sound?

 

[rambone]

To win an election, you must have a big tent. That means you can't be a purist. Do you guys really believe therell come a day when a majority will be as pure as you? When even those who like your guy don't make the grade?

To win a primary you only have to edge out your competition. You could win with 20% of the vote if your opponents only had 19%.

To win a general you need to win the Independents. The lever pullers for the Red Team and Blue Team will not change their vote no matter what the candidate's record or platform. Win the swing voters and you win the election.

Does Newt have what it takes? Do enough Republicans believe his rhetoric? Can he draw in the Independents with that record of his? Time will tell.

 

[Zoub]

Looks like the Rambone lynch mob is back.

If a tree falls in a woods and there's no one around to hear it, does it make a sound?

Yes, that is a scientific fact, unless you think only humans can hear.

Then there is the issue as to whether or not you inlcude subterranian vibrations as sound. Many organisms will feel the vibrations of the fall.

The 3rd level is just because no one is there does not mean no one is remotely monitoring the area.

The 4th level is do you include the possible pressence of alien life form in your scenario?

Of course the bear sh*ting in the woods would hear and see all.

 

[Zoub]

To win a primary you only have to edge out your competition. You could win with 20% of the vote if your opponents only had 19%.

To win a general you need to win the Independents. The lever pullers for the Red Team and Blue Team will not change their vote no matter what the candidate's record or platform. Win the swing voters and you win the election.

Does Newt have what it takes? Do enough Republicans believe his rhetoric? Can he draw in the Independents with that record of his? Time will tell.

You assume the primary process is static, it isn't.

The simple act of observing a process changes that process when humans are the ones doing it.

To win Paul will have to win over the Independents who vote in his primary. You also assume the left lever pulling independents will not vote in this primary. They will register and they will vote for the Republican they want as a consolation prize. I have done it before.

 

[rambone]

To win Paul will..

Oh I was talking about Newt Gingrich. This is a very disjointed conversation.