News story I am just seeing... Has this been on INGO?

[Crbn79]

Court of law ruled O.J. not guilty. See what I did there?

A mom, dad and baby who are very wealthy now. See what I did there?

 

[CPT Nervous]

A mom, dad and baby who are very wealthy now. See what I did there?

No. You said the court made its ruling, and used that to justify that the officer, and by extension, me, was in the wrong. I used a very famous case in which the court system failed.

I'm not sure why that's relevant. Again, I made my response to the video and article posted. I based that opinion on no other set of facts. Not sure who you're arguing with here.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I am genuinely curious...

If...and I do mean IF you are made aware that the "suspect" is en-route to the nearest hospital (from dispatch) due to a (reported) medical emergency...how would you handle the situation?

1) Effect a traffic stop immediately, possibly causing more harm in a genuine emergency, but cutting short any attempt at fraud.

2) Follow the suspect, see if he actually goes to the hospital...write a ticket there?

3) Follow the suspect to the hospital, verify the "emergency", no further action needed. (or)

4) Other...please explain.

I am not being a smartass (now), I am genuinely interested...how would a "good" (ie: properly trained) LEO address this situation?

In a rural area with light traffic and long ambulance response times, maybe give them an escort (if dept policy allows). In a dense traffic urban area where their erratic driving is likely to endanger them further than the emergency, try to coordinate a meeting with an ambulance, which is safer for everyone AND gets treatment started earlier.

In reality, it just depends on the totality of the circumstances. What's the emergency, and how "emergency" is it? How far to the hospital? EMS response time? How busy am I? What's traffic like? I've gotten people an ambulance, and even blocked traffic at intersections ahead of the ambulance to expedite it. Little girl on a moped cracked her skull on a mailbox. Only a time machine would have made us fast enough, but we tried. Most people, though, when asked if they need an ambulance experience that miraculous recovery and it wasn't as bad as they thought it was now that they think about it.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Every "medical emergency" I've encountered in these situations was handled very simply. Do you want an ambulance? Yes --> I start you an ambulance. No --> It's not a medical emergency.

It's amazing how many conditions I miraculously healed. Probably more than some TV preachers, and without the tithing.

While I can understand the general sentiment and the fact that you likely hear a lot of BS, I can also recall the time somewhat over a year ago when I sustained a significant injury leaving a couple of choices. My boss offered my choice of calling an ambulance of having him take me to the hospital. Given the geography, such that we were at the other end of the county from the hospital and the ambulance's point of origin is a couple of blocks from the hospital, it didn't take any higher math to figure out that he could take me to the hospital is approximately the same time it would take the ambulance to arrive at our location without significant deviation from the speed limit, leaving me to choose between, in the same approximate amount of time, a hospital or what the ambulance crew had in their pockets. Timeliness can be a big issue!

 

[Crbn79]

No. You said the court made its ruling, and used that to justify that the officer, and by extension, me, was in the wrong. I used a very famous case in which the court system failed.

I'm not sure why that's relevant. Again, I made my response to the video and article posted. I based that opinion on no other set of facts. Not sure who you're arguing with here.

No argument here, you make it very clear you would violate 4th amendment rights.

If you think there is no difference between OJ case and this one you are showing you have a very poor lack of judgment, as well as very limited grasp of the whole criminal justice system.

 

[SSGSAD]

Didn't pull over immediately. Check.

When he did pull over, he tried to get out. Check.

Wouldn't listen to the officer when he was on the ground. Check.



I am 100% behind the officer on this one. If dispatch didn't tell the officer anything about the call, all that officer has to go on is; he has a subject that refuses to stop, then that subject stops, and gets out of his car. I'm sure most officers would have drawn on him. I probably would have. Then he won't follow instructions when he's on the ground. As for the rest of the story in the article, You can tell me your water broke, or you're giving birth, or whatever you want, that doesn't mean I can just stop doing my job. Criminals have been known to lie, believe it or not. From the dashcam footage, it looks pretty good in the officer's favor. I think much of that story has been embellished by the couple and the news outlet. Not like that hasn't happened before.


Tell me what part of that "takes you through the roof."

IF, he was REALLY on the phone, with 911, why didn't someone, make contact with the officer ?????

I still smell a BIG payday .....

 

[HoughMade]

If that's a flat bill on that hat he's wearing, that would automatically cause me to discount everything he says.

Oh, and I doubt they're rich. Comfortable for a couple, maybe a few years, but not rich.

 

[Crbn79]

If that's a flat bill on that hat he's wearing, that would automatically cause me to discount everything he says.

Oh, and I doubt they're rich. Comfortable for a couple, maybe a few years, but not rich.

We're talking Crown Point Indiana. $50k is rich. It was likely a $200k or more settlement, so they are stinking rich. Lol

 

[Birds Away]

This infuriates but does not surprise me.

 

[HoughMade]

We're talking Crown Point Indiana. $50k is rich. It was likely a $200k or more settlement, so they are stinking rich. Lol

$50k rich? Is that really what you guys down there think when blue collar guys up here in the mills can come close to or hit 6 figures depending upon experience?

But yeah, that range or a little lower. I was thinking $150,000, but $200k isn't outlandish.

 

[Birds Away]

I could probably figure out what to do with $200k.

 

[chezuki]

I could probably figure out what to do with $200k.

Let me guess... Buy 500 CZ-75's?

 

[Birds Away]

Let me guess... Buy 500 CZ-75's?

Um, maybe.

 

[Crbn79]

Let me guess... Buy 500 CZ-75's?

I could deal with that.

 

[jagee]

Guys, I think we are missing the point....










what does the mom/wife look like? Does she now qualify as a milf?

 

[Birds Away]

She's married. Not interested.

 

[HoughMade]

Guys, I think we are missing the point....


what does the mom/wife look like? Does she now qualify as a milf?

I think the FBI needs to investigate that department....I've been in the FBI office in Merrillville, let's get a team from Indy.

 

[CPT Nervous]

No argument here, you make it very clear you would violate 4th amendment rights.

How is that? Please tell.

If you think there is no difference between OJ case and this one you are showing you have a very poor lack of judgment, as well as very limited grasp of the whole criminal justice system.

That isn't what I said, and you know it. You're basically arguing made up points against yourself. I simply used it as an example to show that the justice system is not infallible. I did not say that in this case it was wrong, you imply that I said that. I'm going to stop feeding you now, and see how long you can continue to argue your own points against yourself, using my words.

 

[Crbn79]

How is that? Please tell.



That isn't what I said, and you know it. You're basically arguing made up points against yourself. I simply used it as an example to show that the justice system is not infallible. I did not say that in this case it was wrong, you imply that I said that. I'm going to stop feeding you now, and see how long you can continue to argue your own points against yourself, using my words.

Your credibility here is in the garbage. Back step faster then a bachelor's party that accidentally walked into a "ladies night".

You state you stand behind the Officers, then claim you couldn't hear the dialog so you don't base your support of the officer on it. Reminds me of Hogan's Heroes "I SEE NOTHING." When faced with facts of the case you double down on wrong.

Now as to the OJ and this case comparison. If you were pointing out the crap police work involved in both cases, then yes we are on the same page here. Otherwise your screaming "SQUIRELL!"

WALLET!!!!!

 

[CPT Nervous]

Your credibility here is in the garbage. Back step faster then a bachelor's party that accidentally walked into a "ladies night".

You state you stand behind the Officers, then claim you couldn't hear the dialog so you don't base your support of the officer on it. Reminds me of Hogan's Heroes "I SEE NOTHING." When faced with facts of the case you double down on wrong.

Now as to the OJ and this case comparison. If you were pointing out the crap police work involved in both cases, then yes we are on the same page here. Otherwise your screaming "SQUIRELL!"

WALLET!!!!!

I will not dignify that with a response. You obviously haven't been following this conversation.