NASCAR Complaints

[rvb]

I feel slighted. I was all braced up for the

I'm sorry to leave you out!

"Same to you!
.... and the horse you rode in on!"

-rvb

 

[thunderchicken]

Anyone remember when Dale Jarrett was 2 laps down at the brickyard and raced his butt off to get back to the lead lap? And then went and done something crazy like win the race!?

Now that was some good racing days! There should be a nascars rerun thread. Where we can relive some good racing...


edit: sorry I went back to read that race and Jarrett crashed in practice giving him a mid pack start before winning.(‘96)
In 98 he went 4 laps down and got back to the lead lap.

Got my facts mixed. Lots of Bud-wise-er in those years!

Remember when Bill Elliott went 2 laps down due to an oil pump fitting problem at Talledega...and then raced his way back to to the lead lap and won? That was in 1985 and was all done under the green flag. He was gaining over a second a lap on the leader (Cale Yarborough) if memeory serves correctly. The average speed for that race was like 186 mph.

 

[edporch]

Remember when Bill Elliott went 2 laps down due to an oil pump fitting problem at Talledega...and then raced his way back to to the lead lap and won? That was in 1985 and was all done under the green flag. He was gaining over a second a lap on the leader (Cale Yarborough) if memeory serves correctly. The average speed for that race was like 186 mph.

YES!
Back in the days it was real racing!
That was back in the day where Elliot's team developed that secret rear axle that would turn a couple of degrees with the turn and reduce drag on the turns.
It wasn't illegal, but once NASCAR found out about it they outlawed it.

I remember at the time when they were asking Elliot how he was so fast?
He replied that there's ways to set up your car so it's rolling resistance is reduced (but he wouldn't go into detail).

I liked how in those days the rules were more open and teams had more latitude to tweak their car to gain an edge.

 

[churchmouse]

I'm sorry to leave you out!

"Same to you!
.... and the horse you rode in on!"

-rvb

Aaaahhhhhhh. Much better.

Thanks.....

 

[churchmouse]

Remember when Bill Elliott went 2 laps down due to an oil pump fitting problem at Talledega...and then raced his way back to to the lead lap and won? That was in 1985 and was all done under the green flag. He was gaining over a second a lap on the leader (Cale Yarborough) if memeory serves correctly. The average speed for that race was like 186 mph.

Yes I remember. WTF have these idiots done.

 

[cbhausen]

IndyCar is putting on much better races IMHO and it's a "spec" series now, too. But hey, I'm biased and perfectly willing to acknowledge it.

 

[churchmouse]

IndyCar is putting on much better races IMHO and it's a "spec" series now, too. But hey, I'm biased and perfectly willing to acknowledge it.

Well, yes, but.....

Fenders on an "Open Wheel" race car.....

 

[gunsisgood]

When they introduced the "Bumper" Cam. That was too freaking cool. The black #3 comes sailing up on the target.....you think he is making contact. You would swear he is making contact but the side shot shows a faint glimmer of light between the bumpers. He would assist the lead car up through the pack and then break off when the time was right.......For him...

Man I miss those days.

OK now you guys can flame me..............I am ready....

^This

 

[thunderchicken]

Yes I remember. WTF have these idiots done.

They F'd it up by outlawing anything that takes advantage of the rules. They made it a socialist series lol. NASCAR might as well fully capitalize on the "spec series" by building their spec chassis and selling it to teams.
Oh how far they have gone

 

[halfmileharry]

They F'd it up by outlawing anything that takes advantage of the rules. They made it a socialist series lol. NASCAR might as well fully capitalize on the "spec series" by building their spec chassis and selling it to teams.
Oh how far they have gone

I wonder how deep that toilet drain is.
EDIT:
I shouldn't gripe. It's still racing but I continue to judge it by the older and cooler Nascar. This new sterilized version can't keep my attention from one commercial to the next.

 

[thunderchicken]

I wonder how deep that toilet drain is.
EDIT:
I shouldn't gripe. It's still racing but I continue to judge it by the older and cooler Nascar. This new sterilized version can't keep my attention from one commercial to the next.

Its ok I pretty much feel the same way

 

[Hoosier Carry]

Remember when Bill Elliott went 2 laps down due to an oil pump fitting problem at Talledega...and then raced his way back to to the lead lap and won? That was in 1985 and was all done under the green flag. He was gaining over a second a lap on the leader (Cale Yarborough) if memeory serves correctly. The average speed for that race was like 186 mph.

Awesome Bill from....

 

[churchmouse]

Awesome Bill from....

We used to got down for the last race of the season at the then "AIR" south of Atlanta. We had the Hendricks hook up. We watched Dale Sr. and awesome bill run lap after lap after lap door handle to door handle swapping high/low lines for what seemed forever. Never bobbled. Never touched. Smooth as a new mirror. That was racing. No bunched up pack Bravo Sierra just 2 of the bet going at it clean and simple.

 

[Hoosier Carry]

NASCAR flashback: Remember when Sterling Marlin got out of his car to do some fender control during a red flag? Classic moment in history!

 

[churchmouse]

NASCAR flashback: Remember when Sterling Marlin got out of his car to do some fender control during a red flag? Classic moment in history!

I had that memory during the long red flag 10 laps to go on Sunday.

 

[Hoosier Carry]

We used to got down for the last race of the season at the then "AIR" south of Atlanta. We had the Hendricks hook up. We watched Dale Sr. and awesome bill run lap after lap after lap door handle to door handle swapping high/low lines for what seemed forever. Never bobbled. Never touched. Smooth as a new mirror. That was racing. No bunched up pack Bravo Sierra just 2 of the bet going at it clean and simple.

What do you mean Hendricks hook up? I know you got to hang with some good folks from you stories.

 

[churchmouse]

What do you mean Hendricks hook up? I know you got to hang with some good folks from you stories.

Rick Hendrick had an Imsa team based on Gasoline alley in the mid to late 80's.GTP Corvette. I had several friends that were full time with the team. My best friend got me in with those cats as a weekend warrior. Spent many a night at the shop working on the cars and made 7 to 10 races a year with them. Glory days in the words of Springstien.
Google Hendricks GTP Corvette. There are several sites. My pick is in a few of them.

 

[Ingomike]

It is sad to see auto racing (NASCAR, Indy) die but it is all a spec series now and you can blame rules packages all you want but technology is the real culprit. When they no longer could keep the cars earthbound without wings and aerodynamics there had to be rules on body configuration. As engineers dialed in precision engines, chassis etc. rules had to follow to keep the cars on the track. Now we have gotten to the absurdity of penalty for incorrect bolts.

I see no way to return to the days of old, technology is just to advanced, the golden years of auto racing were the product of innovation before racing hit the physical universal limits.

MM

 

[cbhausen]

Well, yes, but.....

Fenders on an "Open Wheel" race car.....

They got rid of the “fenders” two years ago. The cars look better than they have in years, especially in the speedway configuration:

https://racingnews.co/2017/05/24/new-images-of-2018-indycar-next-indycar/

 

[thunderchicken]

It is sad to see auto racing (NASCAR, Indy) die but it is all a spec series now and you can blame rules packages all you want but technology is the real culprit. When they no longer could keep the cars earthbound without wings and aerodynamics there had to be rules on body configuration. As engineers dialed in precision engines, chassis etc. rules had to follow to keep the cars on the track. Now we have gotten to the absurdity of penalty for incorrect bolts.

I see no way to return to the days of old, technology is just to advanced, the golden years of auto racing were the product of innovation before racing hit the physical universal limits.

MM

I'm not so sure I can agree with this. They started putting roof/cowel flaps on back in the early 90s to help keep cars on the ground. The rear spoiler (wing) has been used for down force going back into the 60s. The front chin spoiler adds down force as well and in large part was stolen from road racing. Those things don't bother me in the least.
As for bolt penalties....if it's on suspension parts yeah those need to have a required spec. If not guys would be using gun drilled bolts (already used for some parts on sprint cars, midgets and in NHRA) to save weight. Racers (and crews) will do some stupid stuff sometimes.
I really don't think technology is too advanced to rein it back in at all. Basically they just need to cut out the BS and look at what works. Believe it or not a cup chassis isn't all that advanced.