I used to drive mostly PU trucks when I was younger and enjoyed their utility but I have'nt been able to afford one for many years now. Even good used ones if you can find them for a decent price are extremely rare.You know me. I'm in the industry also. And yes, I am fully aware of vehicle pricing and based on what I see from the inside, I don't know how we can buy vehicles so cheap! (actually I do. It's all about volume).
But when I see a $1,000,000 price tag the OEM has to pay in tooling, not including the piece price, in order to get 4 assist grips into a Tundra, how do they do it?
That said, to my level of affluence, cars are all expensive. I did a pricing exercise the other day; I took the current offering of small/mid-sized trucks to see what I could get a one step above the baseline model for. They came in from $37.5-42.2 with the exception of the Maverick which was $32.8. Then I thought I'd see what I could do with full size trucks. I hit $50K without even trying.
Heck, the most I have paid for a vehicle is a little over $13K. I can't wrap my head around $50K price tags.
That probably is not even legal to meet all the vehicle regulatory standards…I wish Ford would make a simple, plain Jane body on frame 4x4 pickup.... think 90s era Ranger.... for under 30K
and the Maverick is not it.
Oh yes, the unintended consequences of regulation. They regulated the value right out of cars with the gutting of strength and safety to get gas mileage. Everyone went to trucks.I used to drive mostly PU trucks when I was younger and enjoyed their utility but I have'nt been able to afford one for many years now. Even good used ones if you can find them for a decent price are extremely rare.
2021 RangerI wish Ford would make a simple, plain Jane body on frame 4x4 pickup.... think 90s era Ranger.... for under 30K
and the Maverick is not it.
I loved the base model "Truck" back in the day. They were for working not family cruisers.2021 Ranger
XL - SUPERCAB - 6' BOX
4x4
BASE MSRP
$28,925
There you go. Buy one.
Yeah, I was basing my price on the 2018 new truck I bought. I expect that COVID and inflation have pretty much caused the numbers to jump sky high.All the bells and whistles? $65k before this latest mess.
This is what I have been hoping for, for a while. Perhaps foolishly. I would say up until recently the simplest light truck you could get was probably the Frontier but I am sure a lot of people on here know more about pick ups than I do.I wish Ford would make a simple, plain Jane body on frame 4x4 pickup.... think 90s era Ranger.... for under 30K
and the Maverick is not it.
Dodge / Ram utilize a box frame we do not see the rust on Mopar frames as we see in other GM / Ford lines. Toyota / Nissan has greatly improved their frames and coatings, there was actually lawsuits and recalls in regards to import truck frames rotting so badly that the vehicles were deemed unsafe to operate. This was a result of the road salt we utilize in the US.You said "you will find this in most truck brands".....but you did not say all brands. That indicates to me that you have seen brands that do not have this rust issue.
Would you care to share which brands you have seen that don't have the rust issue?
Do you find that there is a difference between a 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton or 1 ton pickups?
Nissan sales are on the low side so probably that is why they aren't talked about as much. The new Frontier is promising. When I did a comparison of the small/mid-size trucks, the Nissan came in at $38.3 which was in the middle of the pricing for the 7 trucks I looked at.This is what I have been hoping for, for a while. Perhaps foolishly. I would say up until recently the simplest light truck you could get was probably the Frontier but I am sure a lot of people on here know more about pick ups than I do.
On another note I do find it interesting no one has mentioned Nissan trucks, there seem to be a fair amount on the road.
This is what I have been hoping for, for a while. Perhaps foolishly. I would say up until recently the simplest light truck you could get was probably the Frontier but I am sure a lot of people on here know more about pick ups than I do.
On another note I do find it interesting no one has mentioned Nissan trucks, there seem to be a fair amount on the road.
I commented on Toyota earlier ........not sure I would say Toyota has greatly improved .Toyota / Nissan has greatly improved their frames and coatings, there was actually lawsuits and recalls in regards to import truck frames rotting so badly that the vehicles were deemed unsafe to operate. This was a result of the road salt we utilize in the US.
How often has that happened? Percentage wise.To each their own but I'd rather worry about GM frame rust in 10-15 years than a Ford spontaneously exploding transmission in 70,000 miles or less.
I have actually seen Toyota's come in the shop with "minor damage" that would become a total loss due to buckling of the frame. So over the past few years there has been some strides on their part to improve their frame strength and ability to resist corrosion. Kia for example has a current rust inhibitor corrosion spray recall that has affected nearly all their domestic vehicles sold in areas of cold weather climates.I commented on Toyota earlier ........not sure I would say Toyota has greatly improved .
Here is a portion of the letter they sent out to me . It`s happening again . Still waiting on my inspection .
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Out of 7 2013 or newer Ford's my employer has purchased, one has already lost a transmission well before 70K and two others have had a litany of nagging but less severe problems, then there's the 3 Foci that my wife and 2 coworkers had that never made it past 67k. Adding in a few others that people I know own that brings the percentage to about 25% of them that lost transmissions prior to 70K, another 6% that lost transmissions prior to 200K and the remainder somewhere between 80K and 200K without any problems yet. So, more than often enough for me to never waste my money on one.How often has that happened? Percentage wise.
Dang , we can`t catch a break ............My wife has a KIA she bought new in 2013 . I looked up their recall , and her car is on the list .I have actually seen Toyota's come in the shop with "minor damage" that would become a total loss due to buckling of the frame. So over the past few years there has been some strides on their part to improve their frame strength and ability to resist corrosion. Kia for example has a current rust inhibitor corrosion spray recall that has affected nearly all their domestic vehicles sold in areas of cold weather climates.