My SHTF Gun Finally Chosen.

[RobbLG]

I was looking for something that was accurate, fast and had knock down power. The AK-47 while a cool Hollywood gun is too slow, cumbersome and not that accurate. The 5.56 nato round is just plain silly. There is a reason why our soldiers can't stand it. We call it lack of knock down power.

I have plenty of AR-15 in .223, but the 223 lacks power & range, I'll stick with the 308 win.

How much range do you need? I think that if you shot it out of a light weight. magazine fed, air cooled, gas operated, shoulder fired weapon that you might be able to get a max effective range of 800m for an area target and 550m for a point target... I've shot 500 yards accurately... How is one semi-automatic faster than another? Try this... It seems to meet all of your criteria... Barrett

 

[loony1]

 

[Gamez235]

Any rifle round moving through soft tissue will leave someone having a very bad day.... PERIOD!

Get over the hype, and just learn to use what you have...

5.56.... Bad Day.
5.45.... Bad Day.
7.62.... Bad Day.

And for you to go off and offer advice... wow! Obviously, you have no operational experience with any of these platforms, cause an AK in the hands of someone whose trained with it is highly effective. The 5.56 or 5.45 isn't a bad round, but the ammo us soldiers are forced to use (Geneva Convention)....leaves a bit to be desired. If hunting something with no armor, soft tissue, and large area of vitals.... A FMJ round would be my last choice.

 

[Kelevra TAR-21]

I have a quick ? for the op. Why did you recommend the following in the other "perfect gun for SHTF" thread if you not taking you own advice??????

Just mocking people who mock me.

 

[Spazzmodicus]

Good grief dude....you dig yourself deeper with every response. Why not get back on track with the discussion? Did you even read Ferfal's book? It mentions 'availability' of ammo. In a SHTF scenario, 5.56 will be as common as buying a pac of cigarettes. You may have to use that Armalite 6.8 as a club if you didn't stack up cases of rounds before hand, at a higher cost which again also goes against SHTF doctrine.

 

[Sailor]

That cool "hollywood" gun has killed more people than any other and is uber reliable.

Gear is not the answer you need a mindset change.

 

[dom1104]

As of this moment, I am pro gun control. Some people are just plain too dumb to be allowed to own a gun.

"I am contradicting you all because I have read about it..."

 

[03A3]

This is not directed at any one particular person, but this getting out of hand.

 

[IndyBeerman]

I have plenty of AR-15 in .223, but the 223 lacks power & range, I'll stick with the 308 win.

WOW, I mean

So much fail in one sentence.

The 5.56 round is readily available and effective up to 500 meters (1,640 feet), and will still penetrate a helmet. I think that'll ruin a day for anybody.

Purchase an AR upper in 5.56 because you double your ammo availability. AR's marked 5.56 can use .223 ammo, but with an AR marked .223, shooting 5.56 through it is a no-no because the 5.56 has higher pressures and nothing like blowing up your rifle when you need it most.

With the 5.56 round covering 0-500 meters, that's more than adequate distance here in Indiana, but if you feel you need to reach out more, you can then purchase a 6.5 Grendel upper which shoots flatter, longer and still has the hitting power of the .308. With advantage of being able to use the AR-15 lower and mags. All it takes is 20 seconds to change it out, bingo you have a 800+ meter rifle that out performs the 7.62 and can be found for as low as .50 cents a round.

 

[03A3]

Does the 6.5 have the barrier penetration capability of the 7.62 x 51? Just asking because I have no clue.

 

[gunman41mag]

Just mocking people who mock me.

I have an idea, buy plenty of 6.8 ammo & A 223 AR-15 UPPER, so when you run-out of 6.8 ammo, you'll just slap on the 223 upper

 

[IndyBeerman]

I have an idea, buy plenty of 6.8 ammo & A 223 AR-15 UPPER, so when you run-out of 6.8 ammo, you'll just slap on the 223 upper

Nope won't work if I'm correct.

6.8 and .308 will not work in a 5.56 lower, and can not use the same mags.

But you can use a 6.5 Grendel upper with a 5.56 lower.

 

[neraph]

Nope won't work if I'm correct.

6.8 and .308 will not work in a 5.56 lower, and can not use the same mags.

But you can use a 6.5 Grendel upper with a 5.56 lower.

6.8 SPC definitely works in a 5.56 lower, but does not use 5.56 magazines.

 

[turnandshoot4]

It sure can use .223 mags. You just can't put 30 rounds of 6.8 in a 30 round .223 mag.

 

[gunman41mag]

Nope won't work if I'm correct.

6.8 and .308 will not work in a 5.56 lower, and can not use the same mags.

But you can use a 6.5 Grendel upper with a 5.56 lower.

I know the mags are different, but you can put a 50 BMG upper conversion on a AR-15 lower, so I'm sure a 223 AR-15 upper will work on a 6.8 lower

 

[HogDaddy]

what does SHTF stand for?

 

[strahd71]

poop hitting the fan

civil unrest, natural disaster, zombie Apocalypse

jake

 

[gunman41mag]

what does SHTF stand for?

SH*T hits the fan

 

[strahd71]

what he said i was trying to keep it as clean as i could

jake

 

[IndyBeerman]

I know the mags are different, but you can put a 50 BMG upper conversion on a AR-15 lower, so I'm sure a 223 AR-15 upper will work on a 6.8 lower

It is more than likely a bolt action upper, a 5.56 upper may fit on a 6.8, but would mags fit and lock in place?

It sure can use .223 mags. You just can't put 30 rounds of 6.8 in a 30 round .223 mag.

Nope, nodda, not gonna happen from what I've been told. 6.8 will not fit, too large.

Now you can fit 25 rounds of 6.5 Grendel in a standard AR magazine.