MSG or Co-Op (commune)

[theweakerbrother]

I'd be a part of one but I have ZERO skills to offer. I'm working on it, though.

 

[2ADMNLOVER]

A core group or pioneers can attain such a utopia for a short span of time, but at some point the group will need to grow in number and at that point, ideals, perspective, and opinion will move beyond the original intent and ability.

I guess I'm comparing living in a commune to the Amish way of life .

While it is true that some of their "flock" fall away , if you take the religious aspect out of it , aren't they living this way ?

Or maybe it's the faith that holds them together .

 

[ATF Consumer]

So how are those assless chaps working for you while you cruise around on the B**ch-seat of your man's bike?

Had I read this while drinking my Coke, it would have been spewed all over the screen. Thanks for the laugh.

BTW, they are a bit breezy this time of year

 

[Go Devil]

I guess I'm comparing living in a commune to the Amish way of life .

While it is true that some of their "flock" fall away , if you take the religious aspect out of it , aren't they living this way ?

Or maybe it's the faith that holds them together .

Having lived near the Amish, I believe that it is their faith that holds them together.

They have their own homes with their own property and work for their family, not for "the good of others".

They are bound to their faith and the principles of their religion, to serve God and love their neighbor.

They possess alot of down to earth knowledge that is slipping away; I suggest being a good neighbor with them.

 

[2ADMNLOVER]

They possess alot of down to earth knowledge that is slipping away; I suggest being a good neighbor with them.

Well so much for the commune idea .

Neighborly with the Amish ? Good idea but just one problem , they won't move to the west side and I'm not moving to BFE .

I guess I'll have to make due with the hillbillies and rednecks I'm surrounded by . Woe is me !

 

[Go Devil]

Well so much for the commune idea .

Neighborly with the Amish ? Good idea but just one problem , they won't move to the west side and I'm not moving to BFE .

I guess I'll have to make due with the hillbillies and rednecks I'm surrounded by . Woe is me !

I resemble that comment!

 

[2ADMNLOVER]

I resemble that comment!

Given your background , I doubt it .

In some parts of of this neighborhood the banjo sits next to the shotgun and fishing poles and generally isn't far from a vehicle on blocks in 1' tall grass surrounding the flagpole displaying the "rebel " flag .

A street or two down , you have the "white power" wannabe types with a swastika wall proudly glaring through a bay window complete with spike helmets and crossed swords .

 

[longbow]

1960's vs. 2000's reality? I know a group that tried to get one going near me and it fell apart....I went to the meeting they had with the zoning department and it was priceless....Zoning shot it down.

If they called it a campground it would have had a yes vote.

Central kitchen and bath house, meeting/craft/ laundry rooms. The part you owned was a two bedroom home and toilet with a reading room.

Everything was to be built from recycled materials and lumber.


So from now on, you should call your survival retreat, MSG meeting site a campground.

Hint Hint!

 

[longbow]

Describe things like this on the plans....

a bunker or underground shelter=tornado shelter
reserve water tank=fire department water supply for the site
vehicle traps=drainage ditch
homesites= year round campsites

you get the idea....

I'm off to check on the tornado shelter and then improve the ditches around my place....

 

[HICKMAN]

Well so much for the commune idea .

Neighborly with the Amish ? Good idea but just one problem , they won't move to the west side and I'm not moving to BFE .

I guess I'll have to make due with the hillbillies and rednecks I'm surrounded by . Woe is me !

I'm glad you will be one of ones between the inner-city and those in BFE.

SHTF and the city will be in the rear-view as I'm high-tailing it to the country.

 

[El Cazador]

I am going to suggest going with a commune. If my girlfriend agrees, I plan on surviving with a group of hot females and working together to repopulate the earth.

Oh man, I hope you sell tickets to this soiree when you ask. If you do, I'm coming dressed like I'm going to a Gallagher show, 'cause there's gonna be blood!

 

[2ADMNLOVER]

I'm glad you will be one of ones between the inner-city and those in BFE.

I'll be a speed bump as long as possible


SHTF and the city will be in the rear-view as I'm high-tailing it to the country.

Just make sure you're not trying to cross Jack Ryans' land .

 

[El Cazador]

Having lived near the Amish, I believe that it is their faith that holds them together.

They have their own homes with their own property and work for their family, not for "the good of others".

They are bound to their faith and the principles of their religion, to serve God and love their neighbor.

They possess alot of down to earth knowledge that is slipping away; I suggest being a good neighbor with them.

The Amish way is how our family is basing our plans, more or less. We all live near each other, but have our own homes, land and lives. When one needs help, we go help, then head home. No mutual sharing of mundane chores, since we all have our own lives to lead, but we have each others back at a call.

All the Amish I've dealt with have been very nice to me, after a bit of a "get to know" period. They are VERY protective of their women, by the way.

 

[IUGradStudent]

There are too many variables to give a single answer. My short answer: you will have to constitute a new society and government with new rules. You will have to have rules for who is in and who is out, who makes the rules and how, how work gets done, etc. I doubt all of that can be figured out a priori before seeing the actual situation. How bad has the SHTF? How long will state, county, federal governments be unable to exercise police power? I think severe rioting is the only thing that you need to plan for right now -- and that probably doesn't include communal law plans. Or maybe I just violated the spirit of TEOTWAWKI

 

[Go Devil]

The Amish way is how our family is basing our plans, more or less. We all live near each other, but have our own homes, land and lives. When one needs help, we go help, then head home. No mutual sharing of mundane chores, since we all have our own lives to lead, but we have each others back at a call.

All the Amish I've dealt with have been very nice to me, after a bit of a "get to know" period. They are VERY protective of their women, by the way.

As it should be.

 

[oldfb]

I am going to suggest going with a commune. If my girlfriend agrees, I plan on surviving with a group of hot females and working together to repopulate the earth.

Boy that gives new and more disturbing talking points about productivity and eating.

 

[Dr Falken]

So how are those assless chaps working for you while you cruise around on the B**ch-seat of your man's bike?

By definition all chaps are assless, otherwise they would be called pants

 

[Dr Falken]

To the OP; Your question is, beinging haters of Communism, why is it so easy for many of us to contemplate forming an MSG that might be viewed as communistic in nature, but even as we speak, we can't even pull together enough to fight the very events that might percipitate TEOTWAWKI?

I guess in many ways it might be on what we want a MSG to be, and in the event of a SHTF situation, you have the very nature of the event as a motivator and a guide as to what you might do, for better or worse. Perhaps that is why we don't pull together more now; A lack of real motivation. Not many of us have a real sense that we are in a life and death battle, instead we choose a path that might prepare us as best as we can, yet with a hope that we may never need those preparations. Better yet, to make that preparation more a part of how you live your life, like the Amish, for example. Have the ability to cut the ties to the various grids and systems that can fail, but we do need community, that is a tie we can not cut. But in a SHTF situation, it is up to us to define how our MSG's might function for us and what we might want from them. Right or wrong, I would want to maintain the values of our Constitution, and the foundation of this country as we begin to rebuild it.

 

[Go Devil]

INGO Area Mutual Support Groups

Purpose: To facilitate and promote skills, materials and communications between individuals in a local area with the intent of a mutual response to a short or long term crisis.

Organization: None beyond a phone list and a commitment to helping others and accepting other's help as needs be. No central leadership, no uniforms, no ranks, this is not a militia.

Meetings: Gather once a month for a dinner and planning/training session. Individuals take turns to lead a session in an area of their experience/expertise or simply in something they have researched (if no-one has other training). Organizing to go as a group to CPR classes or other professional training would even be better.

Activities: Camping trips, hikes, trips to the range, and so forth. Members who have can help those who do not. Better yet, trips to bulk food stores to stock up on supplies or other suppliers of emergency materials.

Intent: To make sure that people in the same area are as possible, and to continually increase that preparedness. Additionally, to have contact capabilities between area members so that when the power lines go down and INGO goes dead, we are not a bunch of individuals sitting alone in the dark. For those who would bug out, let's work together to make that a better possibility. For those who would have to bug in, let us make sure we can coordinate efforts to mutual support possible.

To be clear, this is not militia training in the sense of small and large unit military training. This is neighbors banding together to help make our community ready if a disaster were to happen. Furthermore, this should all be fun!



I don't read a socialist doctrine in the above charter.

Here's how I see it,

I am offering to heft a chain saw, share experience, donate materials, fix storm damage...., and stand in the breach with a shoulder fired weapon with any of you who are willing to do the same should any of those events come to pass.

That is of my own free will and not by peer pressure, mandate, or utopian pipe dream.

 

[Dr Falken]

INGO Area Mutual Support Groups

Purpose: To facilitate and promote skills, materials and communications between individuals in a local area with the intent of a mutual response to a short or long term crisis.

Organization: None beyond a phone list and a commitment to helping others and accepting other's help as needs be. No central leadership, no uniforms, no ranks, this is not a militia.

Meetings: Gather once a month for a dinner and planning/training session. Individuals take turns to lead a session in an area of their experience/expertise or simply in something they have researched (if no-one has other training). Organizing to go as a group to CPR classes or other professional training would even be better.

Activities: Camping trips, hikes, trips to the range, and so forth. Members who have can help those who do not. Better yet, trips to bulk food stores to stock up on supplies or other suppliers of emergency materials.

Intent: To make sure that people in the same area are as possible, and to continually increase that preparedness. Additionally, to have contact capabilities between area members so that when the power lines go down and INGO goes dead, we are not a bunch of individuals sitting alone in the dark. For those who would bug out, let's work together to make that a better possibility. For those who would have to bug in, let us make sure we can coordinate efforts to mutual support possible.

To be clear, this is not militia training in the sense of small and large unit military training. This is neighbors banding together to help make our community ready if a disaster were to happen. Furthermore, this should all be fun!



I don't read a socialist doctrine in the above charter.

Here's how I see it,

I am offering to heft a chain saw, share experience, donate materials, fix storm damage...., and stand in the breach with a shoulder fired weapon with any of you who are willing to do the same should any of those events come to pass.

That is of my own free will and not by peer pressure, mandate, or utopian pipe dream.

Well there you go, go back to the begining and it seems clear to me too.