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Marksman
I kinda wish we could have the amendment stated like that.But google gives an interesting translation of it into English.
I kinda wish we could have the amendment stated like that.But google gives an interesting translation of it into English.
I kinda wish we could have the amendment stated like that.
The way we are arguing about the pragmatics of simple words and phrases are the exact same reason single laws are 10x longer than the entire Constitution.
People want every loophole filled and convey their entire thought rather than settling on the point of what it is supposed to mean and leaving it at that.
We all plainly know there isn't supposed to be all the restrictions on our RKBA but even we can't decide the best way to convey it.
If the Constitution was ever "updated" heaven help us because it would be longer and more convoluted than anything you could imagine.
While "some" believe this, others have read the OTHER writings of the founders and discovered EXACTLY what they meant. They were NOT at all vague but rather intentional and deliberate in what they wrote to mean exactly as it was stated. The COTUS is NOT a living document as progressives would have us believe other than in the sense that a procedure for changing it was included in the text. Anyone that claims there are other ways to change it is selling a bill of goods and attempting to circumvent the true meaning.Some believe the opposite, that the founders, in an exercise of their genius and compromise, purposely left certain things vague and undefined, because they sincerely believed in spontaneous order.
The way we are arguing about the pragmatics of simple words and phrases are the exact same reason single laws are 10x longer than the entire Constitution.
People want every loophole filled and convey their entire thought rather than settling on the point of what it is supposed to mean and leaving it at that.
We all plainly know there isn't supposed to be all the restrictions on our RKBA but even we can't decide the best way to convey it.
If the Constitution was ever "updated" heaven help us because it would be longer and more convoluted than anything you could imagine.
While "some" believe this, others have read the OTHER writings of the founders and discovered EXACTLY what they meant. They were NOT at all vague but rather intentional and deliberate in what they wrote to mean exactly as it was stated. The COTUS is NOT a living document as progressives would have us believe other than in the sense that a procedure for changing it was included in the text. Anyone that claims there are other ways to change it is selling a bill of goods and attempting to circumvent the true meaning.
...and this frightens me a great deal. I lose more sleep over those people than I care to admit! Thanks, now I'm going to toss and turn all night since you've reminded me of the enemy amongst us. They tend to be the "power hungry" ones and also tend to abuse the powers they have to suit their own personal needs, wants and desires.I don't know if you should point to progressives as the only ones that would have you believe it is a living document. There have been plenty of idiot "conservatives" that many here have or would vote for that believe the EXACT same things and there are many here that believe there are rights that should be restricted based on who they think should have certain rights.
So the 2A says anyone can own a gun. But is that really a good thing? The country has changed a lot in the last 221 years. My reasoning for this post is b/c I see so many interpretations of the constitution and how it applies to modern day. We have things the founding fathers never could have dreamed of..
So the 2A says anyone can own a gun. But is that really a good thing? The country has changed a lot in the last 221 years. My reasoning for this post is b/c I see so many interpretations of the constitution and how it applies to modern day. We have things the founding fathers never could have dreamed of.
1) Should the mentally ill (or w/e your preferred term is) be allowed?
Yes I know this in an extremely broad label, be specific with your response if you want.
2) Should criminals be allowed?
Tax evasion and battery are two very different felonies.
3) What age should ownership be allowed?
4) Immigrents?
5) Depending on your opinion, how do we filter out people.
6) It should be a state level issue, but how do we make it nationally uniform.
I'm sure there are more, I can add them to this post as they get brought up.
I'm about 111 posts too late on this, but here it goes.
The Second Amendment does not need to be modernized in any way. It is perfect as written and intended by our Founding Fathers.
1) The mentally ill have existed since the dawning of man. If a person has been declared mentally incompetent by a court (with existing evidence from a licensed physician), this should be grounds for having rights suspended pending satisfactory psychiatric treatment. Of course, the rights could be revoked if the person is a violent felon (which leads me to question 2).
2) Felons existed at the time the Bill of Rights was ratified. Violent felons should have their rights to bear arms revoked. All other felons should have their rights reinstated once their sentences have been served. Should the felon be given a gubernatorial, presidential, or otherwise have their felonies reduced or expunged, their rights should be reinstated immediately.
3) Plenty of children owned and operated firearms at the time the Bill of Rights was ratified. At that time, parents were actually responsible for their children. A person should have to be 18 years of age to purchase or "own" a firearm (any type). Should the person be an active member of any branch of the armed services at age 17, he shall be permitted to purchase and own a firearm (once basic military training has been completed). Of course, minors under the supervision of parents or other suitable adult guardians, should be able to use firearms.
4) The United States is a nation of immigrants. The Constitution protects all people in the United States.
5) The current mode of background investigations (NICS) seems to be working, however, the criteria which one must meet to purchase a firearm must be lessened. There has been talk recently (Rahm "Satan" Emmanuel) about prohibiting persons on the "No Fly List" from purchasing guns. This list of those like it should never be used to screen people from purchasing firearms. All suspensions or revocations of rights must come directly from a court where due process was given.
6) The Federal Government has a duty to ensure that the states are granting their residents all rights that are protected under the Constitution. As much as I am for states' rights, this is largely a Federal issue. For example, I feel that it is essential that the Federal Government mandate that states allow their residents to carry a firearm without license.
You should neither have to have a license to own/carry a firearm, nor be mandated to train with it. You have a right to be stupid.
Private citizens should be allowed to own attack choppers, tanks, etc. These are essential tools for the militia.
"Since a well-regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged."
Nice avatar!So the 2A says anyone can own a gun. But is that really a good thing? The country has changed a lot in the last 221 years. My reasoning for this post is b/c I see so many interpretations of the constitution and how it applies to modern day. We have things the founding fathers never could have dreamed of.
1) Should the mentally ill (or w/e your preferred term is) be allowed?
Yes I know this in an extremely broad label, be specific with your response if you want.
2) Should criminals be allowed?
Tax evasion and battery are two very different felonies.
3) What age should ownership be allowed?
4) Immigrents?
5) Depending on your opinion, how do we filter out people.
6) It should be a state level issue, but how do we make it nationally uniform.
I'm sure there are more, I can add them to this post as they get brought up.
Please excuse any misplaced punctuation or sentence structure but, this is by far, the best post in the whole thread.Have a need to feel superior to a lesser class of people? That is the only real reason for gun control, and that is ALL your "improved" version of the 2A is, a framework for gun control.
A gun makes people free. Gun control makes them slaves. You cannot regulate yourself into prosperity OR safety, you make it yourself.
I am a free and prosperous man today because I own and am willing to use my gun to protect it, you will never take away my freedom while I possess it.
Further, who gets to decide what counts as your gauging factors for gun control? More and more "diseases" are considered mental illness to the point that almost anyone can be considered unfit to possess a firearm by our government. You say it should be a State issue but then talk about conformity on a national level? Do you want a FEDERAL State to control you or a more local State of control?
You need to do a LOT more research in the real world and learn how things like Constitutions and laws really work before you go trying to "fix" our current system.
Our current Amendment LITERALLY says: "Shall Not be Infringed" yet they still do. What, pray tell, do you suppose is a stronger way of saying "Shall Not be Infringed" than the exact words "Shall Not be Infringed?"