McCarthy loses Speaker vote 3 times…

[oze]

When it's said that eight R's voted with the D's to oust the Speaker, it's technically wrong. In fact, the D's voted with eight R's to oust the Speaker. Sometimes semantics matter. Kinda like "don't say gay" bill says no such thing. Moving a book from one location to another in a library isn't "book banning". Control the language, control the conversation. McCarthy agreed to be subject to removal from Speaker position if he didn't keep his committments. He didn't keep his committments.

The donkeys caucused with the 8, or the 8 caucused with the donkeys. Tomato, tomahto. So that makes all of the rest of the 214 Republican Congressmen RINOs, right?

 

[BugI02]

Dc is as dc does, I see a lot of this as being dc centered squabbles.

Sometimes I think we need something like Thunderdome for our leadership and sell pay per view.

I'm still waiting for Musk v Zuckerberg

 

[bwframe]

The donkeys caucused with the 8, or the 8 caucused with the donkeys. Tomato, tomahto. So that makes all of the rest of the 214 Republican Congressmen RINOs, right?

Maybe not all RINOs, but definitely sheep...

 

[BugI02]

Funny, I thought INGO was all about 'actions should have consequences'

 

[Ingomike]

Kevin McCarthy considers resigning from the House before the end of his term

The deposed former speaker has made clear he plans to stay at least through the speakership election before ending his House career, two people familiar with the matter tell POLITICO.

www.politico.com

 

[DadSmith]

Kevin McCarthy considers resigning from the House before the end of his term

The deposed former speaker has made clear he plans to stay at least through the speakership election before ending his House career, two people familiar with the matter tell POLITICO.

www.politico.com

 

[oze]

Maybe not all RINOs, but definitely sheep...

Oh, I get it. I'm not crazy, the rest of the world is. OK.

 

[AndreusMaximus]

Gaetz has had an ethics investigation that McCarthy wouldn't kill.
Gaetz had no plan but revenge and self-promotion.
Gaetz was the biggest roadblock to conservative budget measures.
Gaetz leveraged Democrats to push his personal agenda.
The idea that this is about debt or principal with Gaetz is insane.

He should be expelled from the GOP.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12593125/The-allegations-Matt-Gaetz-denied-Sex-17-year-old-girl-ecstasy-sugar-daddy-websites-trips-young-women-Bahamas-misusing-campaign-funds.html

So let me get this straight: It is a public, well-known fact, that Gaetz voted for McCarthy under condition of certain promises, and that McCarthy reneged on those promises. Furthermore, at least some of those promises were within McCarthy's power to keep, and would have furthered true, conservative, responsible goals regarding the budget. All of this is what I outlined above, and as far as I can tell you're not denying any of it.

However, there is also a separate investigation into Gaetz, involving allegations that may or may not be true, and McCarthy may or may not have been able to make those investigations go away, and his successor may or may not be somebody who would make those investigations go away.

But somehow we should all believe that the maybe-true-maybe-not-true allegations and the investigation that may or may not go away, depending on who the next speaker is, is the real reason behind all this, and not the well-known, publicly stated promises that McCarthy reneged on, and that Gaetz clearly stated ahead of time would be the trigger for him doing exactly what he did?

I don't get it.

 

[Route 45]

Oh, I get it. I'm not crazy, the rest of the world is. OK.

 

[foszoe]

Biden’s Budget: A Future That’s Built on Government Dependence | The U.S. House Committee on the Budget - House Budget Committee

The Official U.S. Congressional website of The Republican Budget Committee

budget.house.gov

Gee, I wonder where we might find some fat to cut

The deficit that year was $1.38 trillion, so welfare spending represents over 86% or about 7/8 of the total deficit. Shut down the government and you get to stop paying that ****. Shut it down for 5 weeks and save 10% of the deficit on just that. Do away with any catch up payments or back pay for non-active duty military personnel above the rank of major and ALL government employees including congress

And you are being disingenuous by arguing that cuts in a CR deal need to balance the budget. What is being said is that the blob needs to be conditioned to the idea that authorizing government expenditures will only happen if cuts are made and the longer you want it authorized the deeper the cuts will be and if they don't like it, then start bringing appropriations BILLS to the floor to be debated

they should just vote to end welfare and social security all in one step. Just like when unions can't afford pension payouts, the gov't just needs to stop paying all those programs.

Probably still wouldn't be solvent.

 

[Route 45]

 

[ditcherman]

Correct. Gaetz was a creep long before this.

Max Miller's interview on this was good.

Correct?
In post 940 you use those exact words:

“Gaetz has had an ethics investigation that McCarthy wouldn't kill.
Gaetz had no plan but revenge and self-promotion.
Gaetz was the biggest roadblock to conservative budget measures.
Gaetz leveraged Democrats to push his personal agenda.
The idea that this is about debt or principal with Gaetz is insane.”

I don’t get it either.

 

[Tombs]

Ethics committee investigation started before McCarthy became Speaker and no, I don't think almost every member of Congress is passing photos of the minors they banged.

We can worry about that after we indict and prosecute all those who visited Epstein's island. Then we're demonstrating that the concern is actually prosecuting crimes, not blocking a congressman who is standing up for the American people against a corrupt system.

 

[jamil]

Well I suppose they may not, you sound like you vote blue no matter who.

IIRC, his actual voting record will surprise you.

 

[BugI02]

Correct?
In post 940 you use those exact words:

“Gaetz has had an ethics investigation that McCarthy wouldn't kill.
Gaetz had no plan but revenge and self-promotion.
Gaetz was the biggest roadblock to conservative budget measures.
Gaetz leveraged Democrats to push his personal agenda.
The idea that this is about debt or principal with Gaetz is insane.”

I don’t get it either.

Somebody likes them some establishment republicans and hates them some Trump and based conservatives, seems like

 

[bwframe]

I think this would be great. Trump is Speaker of the House for a year, (maybe 10 months) then hands the baton to his assistant Jim Jordan.

The art of the deal man would fix our House of Representatives, on top of rattling some RINOs cages.

Another confirmation that Ramaswamy is genius...

 

[ditcherman]

Another confirmation that Ramaswamy is genius...

Haha, great minds…

 

[jamil]

Somebody likes them some establishment republicans and hates them some Trump and based conservatives, seems like

I think if it weren't for Trump, people would be more open to nation/citizen focused leadership. But, because Trump is demonized and to an extent, plays into their narrative, the policies are also thought to be evil.

Trump really didn't have that many drastically different policies than any other conservative president over the last 50 years. And some of those different ones turned out to be effective. Going to NK, for example. American policy towards NK has been saber rattling. After Trump went to NK we didn't hear **** from the fat little ******* until the end of Trump's term, when Biden went back to the saber rattling policy towards NK.

Trump wasn't the first Republican president to cut taxes. He wasn't the first Republican president to advocate for a border wall. Not the first president to raise tariffs. I think the insistence on putting our embassy in Jerusalem was silly, but it's not anything any Neocon POTUS wouldn't have done.

But media has retconned all those things as out of the ordinary and made them dangerous. And people who are eager to believe the nonsense they hear suck it up and cut their noses off to spite their face.

 

[BugI02]

Trump is a resonance to the disturbance in the force that Goldwater caused. So was Perot. That Trump is cruder and more antagonistic is more a sign of the times and the drift in the standards of acceptable behavior than anything character-defining. That Trump sees the danger in where we're headed is beyond doubt, same was true of Goldwater - and both were demonized by the left of their day. Only difference is how far along the left's plans have gotten

 

[bwframe]

Just seen McCarthy on FNC, brought in to discuss Israel. Can't wait for a YouTube clip of it to come out.

McCarthy was informative and matter of fact on the Israel situation. Then went into a diatribe on Geatz taking him out at this crucial time. Seems as if he is becoming quite bitter?