McCarthy loses Speaker vote 3 times…

[BugI02]

Maybe the government should draft an actual budget. Then we wouldn't have the CR song and dance. The whole thing is farcical. It took 17 or 18 votes to get McCarthy into the Speaker position. He had to agree to deals that included his ouster should he not adhere to the deals. He then systemically reneged on those deals. This process/outcome was agreed to by McCarthy.

He thought the gun wasn't loaded

 

[BugI02]

It's amazing how so many can't seem to understand this simple concept!

I think it's because they're afraid they may not be able to blame Trump

 

[HKFaninCarmel]

Well, obviously the answer to your question is way over my head but can we start with Ukraine money? And lots of other after that? And then just general pork everywhere, including the overall size of the whole apparatus? Not saying it won’t be painful…

I wasn’t clear in my response quoting MD’s post, sorry.
My response was pointed more towards the fact that for McCarthy to get the votes needed to become speaker he made some promises that he didn’t keep; it was all very open and clear when it happened, and he didn’t keep them. And the fact that people want to gloss over this seems like the worst kind of compromise to me, make a deal with us then turn your back and there’s no consequences.

How do you think McCarthy breaking his deal so badly should be handled? They threatened him over and over and in the end he said “bring it on” and turns out, he’s not the untouchable he thought he was.
Which in my opinion needs to happen to about 600 more people in that swamp. 1 down.

How do you view McCarthy breaking his deal?

Nope- that’s a sham approach. That’s bad info. That’s tiny potatoes on the budget. The only way to get there is to cut the big 3. You can hack here and there, or even Ukraine, but it’s not getting you anywhere meaningful. Which of the 3 are you hacking to bit as a Speaker and how do you get the White House onboard? This is what people are griping about. You said it’s simple.

 

[Shadow01]

And how is this any different than the Xtreme! Republicans? There's post after post criticizing any politicians that even considers a compromise. "Never compromise!" seems to be the new mantra of the Xtreme! Republicans.

I guess some people have never been married.

Middle of the road politics is on its last breath. those that supported it will be on an island by themselves in the near future. I have no desire to see any compromise in the future and I won’t support politicians that think compromise is the way forward. This country has compromised its way to the edge of communism. It will take decades of not compromising on conservative ideals to get back to plumb. Might as well start that hard road to the right during this election cycle.

 

[ditcherman]

Nope- that’s a sham approach. That’s bad info. That’s tiny potatoes on the budget. The only way to get there is to cut the big 3. You can hack here and there, or even Ukraine, but it’s not getting you anywhere meaningful. Which of the 3 are you hacking to bit as a Speaker and how do you get the White House onboard? This is what people are griping about. You said it’s simple.

My post was never about the budget, but I gave it a go anyhow.

Did you read my whole response to you?
The simple part was in reference to the concept of making a deal and sticking to it. McCarthy didn’t, and someone held him to it.

 

[Shadow01]

How do you get there?
Do you cut social security? Medicare? Defense? Which drastic cut you making?

Are you raising taxes?
How are you going to get the D Senate and D White House onboard?

How are you going to complete this simple task?

Let the government really shut down until the Ds say uncle.

 

[BugI02]

How do you get there?
Do you cut social security? Medicare? Defense? Which drastic cut you making?

Anything Green New Deal, student loan forgiveness, endless aid to Ukraine, extending medicare and social security coverage to people who never paid into the program, foreign aid to people who hate us, ANY benefits for migrants here illegally, funds for asylum if all the applicants want is economic benefits or if they bypassed any countries to get to the US (did not apply for asylum at the first available country), military funding for woke anything, the CDC, the NIAID, BATFE, Fed Reserve - the list is almost literally endless

 

[ditcherman]

Let the government really shut down until the Ds say uncle.

Too many of them think they’re too important to really shut down. Essential services or something like that.
Just turns in to bad publicity because our side is so good at communicating.

 

[Tombs]

How do you get there?
Do you cut social security? Medicare? Defense? Which drastic cut you making?

Are you raising taxes?
How are you going to get the D Senate and D White House onboard?

How are you going to complete this simple task?

If you have all of your credit cards maxed out and your bank is empty, does giving your realtor excuses like these politicians do, work?

Continually borrowing is increasing taxes, specifically for the poor, while giving the rich a massive financial uplift, all through inflation. It is morally bankrupt for the government to keep increasing the debt, yet nobody is willing to point this out. The funding of all these institutions is being dramatically cut through inflation, and the people are suffering grocery bills double to triple what they used to be. These things will keep getting worse until the budget is balanced.

The alternative is growing the economy through something as profitable as drilling and exporting oil. You can either cut spending or you can grow the economy faster than the debt piles up.

 

[BugI02]

Nope- that’s a sham approach. That’s bad info. That’s tiny potatoes on the budget. The only way to get there is to cut the big 3. You can hack here and there, or even Ukraine, but it’s not getting you anywhere meaningful. Which of the 3 are you hacking to bit as a Speaker and how do you get the White House onboard? This is what people are griping about. You said it’s simple.

Biden’s Budget: A Future That’s Built on Government Dependence | The U.S. House Committee on the Budget - House Budget Committee

The Official U.S. Congressional website of The Republican Budget Committee

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In fiscal year 2022, the federal government spent $1.19 trillion on more than 80 different welfare programs. That represents almost 20% of total federal spending and a quarter of tax revenues in 2022 or $9,000 spent per American household

Gee, I wonder where we might find some fat to cut

The deficit that year was $1.38 trillion, so welfare spending represents over 86% or about 7/8 of the total deficit. Shut down the government and you get to stop paying that ****. Shut it down for 5 weeks and save 10% of the deficit on just that. Do away with any catch up payments or back pay for non-active duty military personnel above the rank of major and ALL government employees including congress

And you are being disingenuous by arguing that cuts in a CR deal need to balance the budget. What is being said is that the blob needs to be conditioned to the idea that authorizing government expenditures will only happen if cuts are made and the longer you want it authorized the deeper the cuts will be and if they don't like it, then start bringing appropriations BILLS to the floor to be debated

 

[JettaKnight]

He's a Democratic Socialist at best.

I rest my case.

Compromise is why this country no longer follows the constitution like it should and runs roughshod over it..
Yet you all think Compromise is going to save us. No Compromise is destroying this country.

Do you know how completely ironic that sounds? The Constitution is a collection of compromises!

 

[JettaKnight]

What's the point in compromising with people who want you dead, and openly made well funded organizations to laugh at conservatives dying during covid?

That's not the type of people who you compromise with. That's the kind of people you fight. RINOs refuse to acknowledge any of this happened, and happily live oblivious to the vicious animals who want to kill us, thinking if they sit on a moral high horse the beast will come for them last.

You're right - when you demonize your enemy (and they demonize them), compromise is impossible.

But let's not even try and pretend they want me dead, as some of us don't have the same death wish.

 

[DadSmith]

I rest my case.


Do you know how completely ironic that sounds? The Constitution is a collection of compromises!

We are where we are today with a lack of freedom that the constitution originally gave us because it was compromised away.
Every encroachment, every loss was do to politicians, and American voters willing to compromise away their freedom little by little. When it came to our freedom, and the law of the land there should not have been one ounce of compromise.

People like you think that compromising our rights and freedom Is the only way to go forward.
That belief is why we are fighting for firearm freedom today, why we have federal income tax, and many other things that have eroded the constitution and our freedom.

Hey if you can't understand, and learn from history that by compromising the constitution we are losing. You'll never figure it out.

 

[JettaKnight]

We are where we are today with a lack of freedom that the constitution originally gave us because it was compromised away.

Like the freedom to own slaves?

 

[jamil]

Just off the top of my head, powered heavier than air flight

There you go again, fact-checking a joke.

 

[Route 45]

Like the freedom to own slaves?

I don't remember that one being decided by compromise.

 

[AndreusMaximus]

So... someone help me out here.

I keep hearing the question asked, "What could McCarthy have realistically done?"

Isn't one of the very specific things that he promised to do in the list of conditions that Gaetz et al. made when they voted for him, to start making individual bills to vote on individual portions of the budget, rather than keep brining up omnibus bills with every politician's pet spending crammed into one fat package, that the Republicans would then feel obligated to pass because they feel like the Democrats have a gun to their head in the form of the Republicans always being blamed by the media for an eventual so-call "shutdown"?

As speaker of the house, wasn't that something 100% in his power to do?

And wouldn't this be a very mart political move, too? Even if it wasn't feasible to literally vote on every individual item, separating out the really contentious bits of spending into separate bills, and getting and early start on it, even if it didn't change the outcome right away, would be a huge step in the right direction. We would get to see which Republicans really can put there money where there mouth is, and whether or not they would really vote to cut any spending when their precious excuse of "I had to vote for that spending to avoid a government shutdown" is taken away.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the issue, but it seems like a very simple concept, and a very simple promise to keep.

I'm not going to start throwing around terms like "traitor", "RINO", and "Xtreme! MAGA Republican™" but I'm just sayin', I don't know that I would've done differently in Gaetz's shoes. Yes, Gaetz is in a minority in the House of Representatives, so he has to recognize that compromise is inevitable. But, IMHO, he showed willingness to compromise when he voted for McCarthy. But he didn't just do the lefty version of compromise where he folded to the other side and got nothing back. No, he got my favorite "real compromise™" and got the other side to give something back to him as well, in the form of a promise. One of the key components of that promise was a change to the way budgets are handled, so that he could at least be allowed to vote on individual items piecemeal, rather than the all-or-nothing budget game that is a crucial part of how the swamp keeps their smoke and mirrors going so that politicians can claim to be conservative, but keep right on voting for crazy huge spending. That was a major step in the right direction, and something simple, and 100% within the power of the Speaker of the House.

So what's he supposed to do when that promise is just flat out reneged for no reason? Just accept being lied to, and fade away into utter irrelevance, with every one of his colleagues knowing that they can now lie to him, cheat, reneg on their promises, and Gaetz is the man who may make fiery speeches against it, but in the end will always be a good little doormat, and roll over and accept the wishes of the uniparty anyways?

I don't know about you, but I couldn't do that, no even for the "good of the party." Not even for the sake of my precious "real compromise™".

 

[ditcherman]

So... someone help me out here.

I keep hearing the question asked, "What could McCarthy have realistically done?"

Isn't one of the very specific things that he promised to do in the list of conditions that Gaetz et al. made when they voted for him, to start making individual bills to vote on individual portions of the budget, rather than keep brining up omnibus bills with every politician's pet spending crammed into one fat package, that the Republicans would then feel obligated to pass because they feel like the Democrats have a gun to their head in the form of the Republicans always being blamed by the media for an eventual so-call "shutdown"?

As speaker of the house, wasn't that something 100% in his power to do?

And wouldn't this be a very mart political move, too? Even if it wasn't feasible to literally vote on every individual item, separating out the really contentious bits of spending into separate bills, and getting and early start on it, even if it didn't change the outcome right away, would be a huge step in the right direction. We would get to see which Republicans really can put there money where there mouth is, and whether or not they would really vote to cut any spending when their precious excuse of "I had to vote for that spending to avoid a government shutdown" is taken away.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the issue, but it seems like a very simple concept, and a very simple promise to keep.

I'm not going to start throwing around terms like "traitor", "RINO", and "Xtreme! MAGA Republican™" but I'm just sayin', I don't know that I would've done differently in Gaetz's shoes. Yes, Gaetz is in a minority in the House of Representatives, so he has to recognize that compromise is inevitable. But, IMHO, he showed willingness to compromise when he voted for McCarthy. But he didn't just do the lefty version of compromise where he folded to the other side and got nothing back. No, he got my favorite "real compromise™" and got the other side to give something back to him as well, in the form of a promise. One of the key components of that promise was a change to the way budgets are handled, so that he could at least be allowed to vote on individual items piecemeal, rather than the all-or-nothing budget game that is a crucial part of how the swamp keeps their smoke and mirrors going so that politicians can claim to be conservative, but keep right on voting for crazy huge spending. That was a major step in the right direction, and something simple, and 100% within the power of the Speaker of the House.

So what's he supposed to do when that promise is just flat out reneged for no reason? Just accept being lied to, and fade away into utter irrelevance, with every one of his colleagues knowing that they can now lie to him, cheat, reneg on their promises, and Gaetz is the man who may make fiery speeches against it, but in the end will always be a good little doormat, and roll over and accept the wishes of the uniparty anyways?

I don't know about you, but I couldn't do that, no even for the "good of the party." Not even for the sake of my precious "real compromise™".

This!
Except you inserted "MAGA" in the "Xtreme!" and I think they're two very different things.
Also, I like the tm touches, well done.

 

[HKFaninCarmel]

So... someone help me out here.

I keep hearing the question asked, "What could McCarthy have realistically done?"

Isn't one of the very specific things that he promised to do in the list of conditions that Gaetz et al. made when they voted for him, to start making individual bills to vote on individual portions of the budget, rather than keep brining up omnibus bills with every politician's pet spending crammed into one fat package, that the Republicans would then feel obligated to pass because they feel like the Democrats have a gun to their head in the form of the Republicans always being blamed by the media for an eventual so-call "shutdown"?

As speaker of the house, wasn't that something 100% in his power to do?

And wouldn't this be a very mart political move, too? Even if it wasn't feasible to literally vote on every individual item, separating out the really contentious bits of spending into separate bills, and getting and early start on it, even if it didn't change the outcome right away, would be a huge step in the right direction. We would get to see which Republicans really can put there money where there mouth is, and whether or not they would really vote to cut any spending when their precious excuse of "I had to vote for that spending to avoid a government shutdown" is taken away.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the issue, but it seems like a very simple concept, and a very simple promise to keep.

I'm not going to start throwing around terms like "traitor", "RINO", and "Xtreme! MAGA Republican™" but I'm just sayin', I don't know that I would've done differently in Gaetz's shoes. Yes, Gaetz is in a minority in the House of Representatives, so he has to recognize that compromise is inevitable. But, IMHO, he showed willingness to compromise when he voted for McCarthy. But he didn't just do the lefty version of compromise where he folded to the other side and got nothing back. No, he got my favorite "real compromise™" and got the other side to give something back to him as well, in the form of a promise. One of the key components of that promise was a change to the way budgets are handled, so that he could at least be allowed to vote on individual items piecemeal, rather than the all-or-nothing budget game that is a crucial part of how the swamp keeps their smoke and mirrors going so that politicians can claim to be conservative, but keep right on voting for crazy huge spending. That was a major step in the right direction, and something simple, and 100% within the power of the Speaker of the House.

So what's he supposed to do when that promise is just flat out reneged for no reason? Just accept being lied to, and fade away into utter irrelevance, with every one of his colleagues knowing that they can now lie to him, cheat, reneg on their promises, and Gaetz is the man who may make fiery speeches against it, but in the end will always be a good little doormat, and roll over and accept the wishes of the uniparty anyways?

I don't know about you, but I couldn't do that, no even for the "good of the party." Not even for the sake of my precious "real compromise™".

Gaetz has had an ethics investigation that McCarthy wouldn't kill.
Gaetz had no plan but revenge and self-promotion.
Gaetz was the biggest roadblock to conservative budget measures.
Gaetz leveraged Democrats to push his personal agenda.
The idea that this is about debt or principal with Gaetz is insane.

He should be expelled from the GOP.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12593125/The-allegations-Matt-Gaetz-denied-Sex-17-year-old-girl-ecstasy-sugar-daddy-websites-trips-young-women-Bahamas-misusing-campaign-funds.html

 

[JTScribe]

We are where we are today with a lack of freedom that the constitution originally gave us because it was compromised away.
Every encroachment, every loss was do to politicians, and American voters willing to compromise away their freedom little by little. When it came to our freedom, and the law of the land there should not have been one ounce of compromise.

People like you think that compromising our rights and freedom Is the only way to go forward.
That belief is why we are fighting for firearm freedom today, why we have federal income tax, and many other things that have eroded the constitution and our freedom.

Hey if you can't understand, and learn from history that by compromising the constitution we are losing. You'll never figure it out.

Yes. Time to post this again.