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Martin Luther King Jr.
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The Bubba Effect
Grandmaster
No, not just Americans.
To be specific, I did not mean "his people" as code for "colored" or "poor" or "christian" or "oppressed". I intended to refer to him as a man dedicated to the service of those he felt the duty to serve. I intended to side step the tangles of class and political ideology that were gaining in this thread by making a statement that in and of itself I could be sure of.
King served his people.
I pray I do as much for my people.
steveh_131
Grandmaster
I must admit that I had him pigeonholed and dismissed as a socialist.
You guys made some very good points and I have revised my opinion on MLK. He went wrong in a few areas is celebrated for a lot of wrong reasons, but he certainly deserves respect for the good that he accomplished.
Plague? Where is this going on? I hear this on the news and read it in articles, but I don't see it on the street. If it is so blatant, then where is it?
I have had ONE instance of where blacks were singled out by a fellow I met a few years ago. He did not want blacks to be in lodge with him. I pointed out to him that if they were in lodge that they have walked the exact same path he and I had. He did stop and think about it then admitted he was wrong.
The worst racism I have ever heard, and I have heard it MANY time was directly at Native Americans. I have heard vile and nasty things said. I have friends that WERE told to leave a restaurant a few years ago when they went in for supper after a PowWow.
See above!
MLK Did some wonderful things and I respect him for it.
about 10 years ago my father was headed back home (retired Honolulu PD settled in KY, Ft. Knox area due to cost of living) after helping pass out blankets at an indiana reservation somewhere southwest. He stopped at a diner in southern KY and was told "sorry we don't serve your kind here". He is half Haudenosaunee (Iroquois) and as he has gotten older really looks like it. He was pretty pissed. Vietnam vet, retired HPD Sgt. He has also gotten bs from tsa when he has flown with his channupa (mainly them saying "you injuns smoke weed in this don't you" and one time the tsa agent smacked the pipe down cracking the head - he doesn't fly any more).
The first requirement for being a TSA toady is that you be an assh*le with a God complex.
The second is that you be a blind, bleating sheep with no capacity for independent cognitive processes.
The third is that you behave like an assh*le with a God complex that in reality is a blind, bleating sheep with no capacity for independent cognitive processes each day you show up at your post.
And to think I am forced to pay for these assh*les.
If you were not allowed to take out a loan, start a business, or buy a house in any community you could afford, would you think Capitalism was fair?
Was that capitalism or statism?
From what I understand, the state had encroached upon grounds beyond its boundaries in creating the restrictions you describe.
That sounds more like statism to me.
In capitalism, one would be free to sell a home to whomever he, in his own judgement, deemed to be the best party with which to do a transaction.
"A government big enough to give you everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have"
Kind of ties into the question "from where do the rights of man come", but I digress.
https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...334-from_where_do_the_rights_of_man_come.html
Kind of ties into the question "from where do the rights of man come", but I digress.
https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...334-from_where_do_the_rights_of_man_come.html
It takes the state to enforce racism.
If you look at South Africa there was a booming black market economy going on where skilled black workers would work for the white community illegally. It took the law to enforce apartheid, not people's opinion.
That's the beauty of capitalism, it prompts people to do what's right because it's in their best interest. Not in every instance, but often.
Femme Assise
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Although I do not agree with many policies legislation has put in place over the years to safeguard African American populations, Martin Luther King was one of the greatest men of his time. He was not just a good speaker; He was a source of confidence, hope, and pride for African Americans around the nation during the 50's and 60's. He was an inspiration then, as he is now, to young men and women who look to his works .
I have the upmost respect for MLK. A man who is willing to stand in the face of overwhelming oppression and give the ultimate sacrifice defending his wife, children, brothers and neighbors, so that the chains enslaving African Americans from enjoying the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness could be loosened, deserves our recognition. MLK was just a man and nothing more; however, he sewed the seeds necessary for bringing out African Americans from under the cruelty and discrimination of oppression and socioeconomic inequality.
I have the upmost respect for MLK. A man who is willing to stand in the face of overwhelming oppression and give the ultimate sacrifice defending his wife, children, brothers and neighbors, so that the chains enslaving African Americans from enjoying the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness could be loosened, deserves our recognition. MLK was just a man and nothing more; however, he sewed the seeds necessary for bringing out African Americans from under the cruelty and discrimination of oppression and socioeconomic inequality.
Good point. If I recall correctly, all of the original 13 states had slavery at one time. The northern states soon enough realized that it was not a good fit with their growing industrialism and abolished it, while the southern states found that it nicely complemented their agricultural base and maintained it (as long as they could, anyway).
I've heard a pretty good argument made that slavery is actually more expensive than other methods of production. For one, you have a work force that cares nothing for your production, and innovation completely dies. You get stuck in one place while the world moves on around you. Which may also explain why the North was twenty or more years ahead of the South at that time.
These are advantages born out of capitalism; advantages that certain members of the society were not allowed to embrace.
I would like to somewhat agree with an argument that is made concerning this point, today. Yes, people of color were prevented from being a part of this great society and partaking in the benefits of freedom . . . then! Today, there are no Jim Crow laws, although racism still exists, but there are no laws that prevent anyone from living wherever they can afford, applying to attend any school or job, opening a business; going anywhere, etc. All excuses have been nullified because the government is allowed to legalize discrimination, racism, and bigotry.
The government is no longer in the business of legalizing racism, but there are still people in powerful places that follow those practices. Whenever these issues raise their evil heads, there are ways to deal with it, but self-elected actors such as Jackson have abused the power that those actions used to have. For example, if a business promoted racist practices to be performed among its employees, the power of the dollar could be used to change their practices. People could be brought to a clear understanding of what the store has done as asked to take their money elsewhere. However, today, these attempts are useless, because of the ulterior motives of the "leaders." Still, for wherever true racism (not bigotry, cultural misunderstandings, or personal dislike) is evident, it can be dealt with.
There is nothing that can stop a person who refuses to give up. That was the main lesson to be taken away from the life of Dr. King. In any of our efforts to be successful, we may not live to partake in the promise, but being able to pave the road for our children and grandchildren is worth more than life itself. Personally, I strive to live life looking toward the future, but I'm always pushed by history.
There are still people who choose to live in the past on both sides of this argument. I refuse to be caught up in the ignorance of either side, because it's just not productive to point fingers instead of putting our hands to work.
"In any of our efforts to be successful, we may not live to partake in the promise, but being able to pave the road for our children and grandchildren is worth more than life itself. Personally, I strive to live life looking toward the future, but I'm always pushed by history.
There are still people who choose to live in the past on both sides of this argument. I refuse to be caught up in the ignorance of either side, because it's just not productive to point fingers instead of putting our hands to work."
Well said.
There are still people who choose to live in the past on both sides of this argument. I refuse to be caught up in the ignorance of either side, because it's just not productive to point fingers instead of putting our hands to work."
Well said.
