Mandated vaccines or weekly testing for employers of 100+ people.......

[Hatin Since 87]

Me too, but for me it's a constant thing

We know

 

[DadSmith]

Republicans attack Biden's COVID vaccine plan and threaten court challenges

Conservative critics face polls showing that vaccine mandates are popular and court rulings that give the government the authority to impose them.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Republicans attack Biden's COVID vaccine plan and threaten court challenges

Conservative critics face polls showing that vaccine mandates are popular and court rulings that give the government the authority to impose them.

www.usatoday.com

Fortunately for us, we don’t rule by majority rule. Polls don’t mean ****. I will not comply because of a ****ing poll.

 

[jsx1043]

 

[actaeon277]

It may not have been a good summary of what the video said. That doesn't make the people in the video misinformed, which is what you said. I would expect that you had listened to them before calling them misinformed.

In my defense, I was at work.
It's loud, and I often have to stop, to work.

 

[Leo]

I have done a little research today.

The FDA does none of their own testing. That work is done by the NIH. The head of Bio ethics at the NIH (since 2012) is a woman named Christine Grady Phd.

Dr. Christine Grady has been married to anthony fauci since 1985.

And we wonder why two of the FDA board members have resigned. The perp and the investigator are in the same car. stinky

 

[BigRed]

I have done a little research today.

The FDA does none of their own testing. That work is done by the NIH. The head of Bio ethics at the NIH (since 2012) is a woman named Christine Grady.

Christine Grady has been married to anthony fauci since 1985.

And we wonder why two of the FDA board members have resigned. The perp and the investigator are in the same car. stinky

They can all go to ****.

 

[BigRed]

I have done a little research today.

The FDA does none of their own testing. That work is done by the NIH. The head of Bio ethics at the NIH (since 2012) is a woman named Christine Grady Phd.

Dr. Christine Grady has been married to anthony fauci since 1985.

And we wonder why two of the FDA board members have resigned. The perp and the investigator are in the same car. stinky

Do you have links on this?

 

[Leo]

Do you have links on this?

Easy, Type in Christien grady, Type in FDA approval process, You will get a whole day of readying. None of it is secret.

 

[BigRed]

Easy, Type in Christien grady, Type in FDA approval process, You will get a whole day of readying. None of it is secret.

Thanks

 

[Hatin Since 87]

 

[actaeon277]

language warning...


Stephan King spreading lies.

 

[actaeon277]

Dang. I'm not on Twitter.
Or I'd comment that, "I guess writing fiction comes naturally"

 

[JettaKnight]

I have done a little research today.

The FDA does none of their own testing. That work is done by the NIH. The head of Bio ethics at the NIH (since 2012) is a woman named Christine Grady Phd.

Dr. Christine Grady has been married to anthony fauci since 1985.

And we wonder why two of the FDA board members have resigned. The perp and the investigator are in the same car. stinky

We've covered this before.


This is like saying the HR director at Ford determines what batteries they put in the F150 Lightning.

Easy, Type in Christien grady, Type in FDA approval process, You will get a whole day of readying. None of it is secret.

Not secret, but incredibly speculative.



Just because there's dots, doesn't mean they really connect.

 

[buckwacker]

We've covered this before.


This is like saying the HR director at Ford determines what batteries they put in the F150 Lightning.


Not secret, but incredibly speculative.



Just because there's dots, doesn't mean they really connect.

I find interesting the things you contest and those you don't.

 

[vzdude]

I keep wondering if it's not really a vaccine, it's population control. Why else would it be so aggressively mandated when it admittedly doesn't even work.

 

[actaeon277]

Well, that would be work.
And people want the easy fix.

 

[Alpo]

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Vaccinated people are not 'creating' coronavirus variants​

Claire Savage, AFP USA Facebook Twitter Email Published on Tuesday 24 August 2021 at 10:58
Copyright AFP 2017-2021. All rights reserved.

Social media posts claim Covid-19 vaccines lead to virus mutations and say vaccinated people are responsible for variants, citing the case of a different disease that affects chickens as evidence. But experts say the analogy is flawed, and that vaccines reduce rather than enhance the risks posed by Covid-19.​

"It is the vaccinated NOT the unvaccinated spreading the mutant variants... This is what has happened with numerous other 'leaky' (non-neutralizing) vaccines. The classic example of this is Marek's disease in chickens," says text attributed to "Janci Lindsay, Ph.D." in an August 7, 2021 Facebook post.
"So please spare me the propaganda that the unvaccinated are the ones 'causing' this because they are not and there is a clearly defined mechanistic pathway for how the vaccinated are creating the mutants," says the text in an image featured in the post.

Screenshot of a Facebook post taken on August 12, 2021
More examples of the post appeared on Facebook here and on Instagram -- liked more than 3,000 times --here.
Podcast host Joe Rogan also made a similar claim in a YouTube video viewed more than 2.7 million times.
"These people that are saying, 'Oh it's these unvaccinated people that are responsible for the variants.' Well, there's actually scientific papers that point to the very sort of environment that we're creating by having so many people vaccinated with a vaccine that doesn't kill off the virus, it actually can lead to more potent viruses," Rogan said.
An August 8 tweet links to an article headlined "Vaccines Are Pushing Pathogens to Evolve" and says: "This was published before COVID-19 had hit, yet it hits the mark on how the COVID vaccination campaign could be driving the emergence of resistant variants of SARS-CoV-2."
But the author of the article, Melinda Wenner Moyer, rejected the claim on Twitter.
"Hi! I wrote this piece, and you are completely missing the point and misinterpreting the science," she wrote.
The article is based on a study about Marek's disease in chickens -- the case mentioned in the social media posts attributed to Lindsay.
Published in PLOS Biology in July 2015, the study led by Pennsylvania State University biology professor Andrew Read found that "anti-disease vaccines that do not prevent transmission can create conditions that promote the emergence of pathogen strains that cause more severe disease in unvaccinated hosts."
It analyzed Marek's disease in poultry, which has plagued the agricultural industry for decades. The study found that for this disease and vaccine, immunization which stops serious illness but fails to stop the spread of disease can enhance "the fitness of more virulent strains" in the flock.
The study said this is often called a "leaky" vaccine. However, the posts attributed to Lindsay extrapolate the logic to apply to the today's Covid-19 vaccines and variants.
Read told AFP that this comparison is "irresponsible."
The study deals with chickens, not humans, and a herpes virus, not a coronavirus.
"Covid involves very different vaccines and viruses, and the biological details matter," Read said.
"Delta is spreading like wildfire in the non-vaccinated. Even if no one was vaccinated, Delta would be spreading rapidly. Choosing not to vaccinate puts people at risk of severe disease, irrespective of the variants," he said, referring to the highly infectious coronavirus variant behind a surge in cases.
"It is irresponsible for people to use hypothetical concerns... as a reason to withhold life-saving vaccines now," Read added.
Dr Anna Durbin, an international health professor at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, also debunked the claim.
"The Delta variant did not arise because of vaccines. The Delta variant arose out of natural competition with the Alpha variant," first identified in the United Kingdom. She noted that Delta arose in India in the absence of widespread vaccination against Covid-19.
Additionally, the study said "that the chickens vaccinated against Marek's disease shed virus longer than those unvaccinated and that led to mutations. People vaccinated against Covid shed virus for shorter periods of time (if they shed at all) reducing the likelihood of mutations," Durbin said.
"The best way to prevent the variants is to vaccinate as many people as possible."
Like Read, microbiologist Donald Alcendor emphasized that the virus that causes Marek's disease and SARS-CoV-2 are distinct and behave differently.
Alcendor, who teaches pathology, microbiology and immunology at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine, called the comparison between Marek's disease and coronavirus "a poor analogy."
Covid-19 shots "cannot create mutations," he said.
AFP has debunked other inaccurate claims about vaccines here.

Claire Savage​

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[MCgrease08]

Sure sounds like OSHA's going to have a hard time enforcing Biden's federal vaccine mandate

hotair.com

 

[Ark]

That "debunking" is such bogus. They're calling it false because a person uses basic critical thinking and extrapolation. "The study deals with chickens, not humans, and a herpes virus, not a coronavirus" - seriously? This is so dumb. This "debunking" is basically saying no new ideas, reasoning, or critical thought are allowed. You're not allowed to do research. You're not allowed to draw on historical parallels. You're not allowed to hypothesize or draw comparisons. This is the absolute state of post-hysteria "science".