Mandated vaccines or weekly testing for employers of 100+ people.......

[DragonGunner]

In order to consider this, I would like to see data on whether vaccine then infection and recovery actually results in the same immune endpoint as just infection then recovery

Not seeing any evidence natural immunity tails of as rapidly as vaccine induced immunity and there is a small amount of evidence that vaccination reduces natural immunity

Unfortunately, few are studying natural immunity in any organized way because of the political climate

From what I have read getting covid results in 13X more immunity and lasts longer than the vaccine. My family that had covid in Jan got tested 2 weeks ago and showed they still had immunity. Another factor is according to the CDC about 10,000 who were vaccinated got sick and or died so far. In April it was already near 4000 deaths from the vax, thats the CDC.....so to me that means its much higher. No one should be forced to take a risk that may very well end their lives.

 

[JettaKnight]

Meanwhile, Holcomb is welcoming the new batch of dem voters...

Wait - we were pissed because a Democrat President didn't help them get to America, now we're pissed they're here, and we've also already registered these non-Americans (i.e. They ain't voting) with the Democratic party?!

I can't keep up with the INGO narative...

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Wait - we were pissed because a Democrat President didn't help them get to America, now we're pissed they're here, and we've also already registered these non-Americans (i.e. They ain't voting) with the Democratic party?!

I can't keep up with the INGO narative...

We weren't pissed that he didn't help them get to America. We were pissed that they took precedent over American citizens in getting them to America.

 

[d.kaufman]

From what I have read getting covid results in 13X more immunity and lasts longer than the vaccine

I believe Israel's latest study is now saying natural immunity is 27× better

 

[JettaKnight]

. No one should be forced to take a risk that may very well end their lives.

Come'on, at least be realistic.

 

[buckwacker]

are all vaccines the mark, or just this one? I'm due for a tetanus vaccine, and want to know if I can still get into Heaven after that.

Edit: I'm relieved to know that my credit card and Social Security number and 666 license plate are not impediments; good thing we found the REAL mark of the Beast now.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough. You mentioned downthread you have difficulty following along, so I'll dumb it down a little just for you.

I didn't claim the jab was the mark. For Christian people, the idea that you must accept something injected into your body or lose your ability to provide for yourself (the buy part of buying and selling) begins to sound an awful lot like prophetic warnings at the end of their book. An HR department wouldn't be wise or responsible to risk violating the religious rights of an employee's stated fear of risk of eternal damnation should this be it in their view. Just a handful of successful lawsuits for wrongful termination on religious grounds could get very, very expensive. I'm guessing there will be many.

I'll now await another logically barren pugnacious reply.

 

[ditcherman]

Not sure if serious.

No.

 

[Alpo]

I believe Israel's latest study is now saying natural immunity is 27× better

Breakthrough infection rates are a small amount of the total Covid cases. Breakthrough cases presently represent very few of the hospitalizations and deaths from Covid.

I'm not a doc or immunologist, so I may be reading the available literature wrong. But, I think I've got it right.

 

[Paul30]

100 million Americans affected: Biden to mandate ALL EMPLOYERS with over 100 workers to require Covid jab or weekly tests

US President Joe Biden will instruct all employers with more than 100 workers to force their staff to get vaccinated or to submit to weekly Covid-19 tests. Companies refusing will face stiff fines.

www.rt.com

Anyone in this situation would be better to let them fire you than to quit. You may have recourse of unemployment or a class action lawsuit if they fire you. If you quit they will simply say it was your choice to leave. Many may try a medical or religious exemption too. Frontline Doctors offer some services. There is also a lawyer I saw on One American News (OAN) who said his firm is gearing up to start the class action lawsuits so maybe they can be contacted on behalf of your entire workforce at your place of employment.

Mike Yoder, Esq. | home

www.yoderesq.com

 

[d.kaufman]

Breakthrough infection rates are a small amount of the total Covid cases. Breakthrough cases presently represent very few of the hospitalizations and deaths from Covid.

I'm not a doc or immunologist, so I may be reading the available literature wrong. But, I think I've got it right.

In Israel almost 60% of hospitalized patients are fully vaccinated

Nearly 60% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Israel fully vaccinated, data shows

Of 514 patients in Israel hospitalized with COVID-19 as of Aug. 15, 59 percent were fully vaccinated, according to an Aug. 16 report from Science, citing a study from Israel's largest HMO. The figures suggest breakthrough infections may be more common than the term implies.

www.beckershospitalreview.com

 

[DoggyDaddy]

are all vaccines the mark, or just this one? I'm due for a tetanus vaccine, and want to know if I can still get into Heaven after that.

Has anyone suggested that you must get the tetanus (or any other besides Covid) vaccine in order to continue to work, or to attend a bar or a sporting venue or get on on a plane, etc.? Still don't see the difference?

 

[buckwacker]

In Israel almost 60% of hospitalized patients are fully vaccinated

Nearly 60% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Israel fully vaccinated, data shows

Of 514 patients in Israel hospitalized with COVID-19 as of Aug. 15, 59 percent were fully vaccinated, according to an Aug. 16 report from Science, citing a study from Israel's largest HMO. The figures suggest breakthrough infections may be more common than the term implies.

www.beckershospitalreview.com

To be fair, Israel's jabbed rate is nearly 80%, so if 60% of hospitalized patients have been jabbed, that means the jabbed are being hospitalized at lower rates than the unjabbed.

Another thing from the article to consider though is that Israel is experiencing one of the worst outbreaks in the world despite the fact that 80% of the population has been jabbed. Anecdotally, this would seem to indicate that the it is the jabbed who are causing the outbreak, not the other way around.

 

[Alpo]

In Israel almost 60% of hospitalized patients are fully vaccinated

Nearly 60% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Israel fully vaccinated, data shows

Of 514 patients in Israel hospitalized with COVID-19 as of Aug. 15, 59 percent were fully vaccinated, according to an Aug. 16 report from Science, citing a study from Israel's largest HMO. The figures suggest breakthrough infections may be more common than the term implies.

www.beckershospitalreview.com

Yeah. Difficult to sift through all the data. Israeli population (9 mllion) is 79% vaccinated. 514 had been hospitalized of which 300 or so had both injections. So....300 out of 7.1 million ended up hospitalized.....

I'm not sure the results convey any important message to anyone in the USA.

 

[chipbennett]

Skipped 11 pages of prior comments. Just dropping in to say that this attempt to enforce a private employer vaccine mandate through the DoL is as unconstitutional as Biden's attempt to enforce an eviction moratorium using the CDC.

 

[buckwacker]

Has anyone suggested that you must get the tetanus (or any other besides Covid) vaccine in order to continue to work, or to attend a bar or a sporting venue or get on on a plane, etc.? Still don't see the difference?

I think he's more interested in auditioning as kut's replacement than "seeing" anything.

 

[Alpo]

In Jacobson v. Massachusetts, the Supreme Court rejected Jacobson’s argument and dealt the anti-vaccination movement a stinging loss. Writing for the majority, Justice John Marshall Harlan acknowledged the fundamental importance of personal freedom, but also recognized that “the rights of the individual in respect of his liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand.”

This decision established what became known as the “reasonableness” test. The government had the authority to pass laws that restricted individual liberty, if those restrictions—including the punishment for violating them—were found by the Court to be a reasonable means for achieving a public good.

I don't know if there is further law on this.

 

[MCgrease08]

"This decision established what became known as the “reasonableness” test. The government had the authority to pass laws that restricted individual liberty, if those restrictions—including the punishment for violating them—were found by the Court to be a reasonable means for achieving a public good."

The key part being that the government, i.e. legislature, had the authority to pass laws, not that a single doddering old fool could make up laws out of thin air.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

"This decision established what became known as the “reasonableness” test. The government had the authority to pass laws that restricted individual liberty, if those restrictions—including the punishment for violating them—were found by the Court to be a reasonable means for achieving a public good."

The key part being that the government had the authority to pass laws, not that a single doddering old fool could make up laws out of thing air.

And importantly, IF those restrictions were found by the Court to be a reasonable means for achieving a public good. Has a court ruled on Biden's latest mandate? No.

 

[BugI02]

In Israel almost 60% of hospitalized patients are fully vaccinated

Nearly 60% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Israel fully vaccinated, data shows

Of 514 patients in Israel hospitalized with COVID-19 as of Aug. 15, 59 percent were fully vaccinated, according to an Aug. 16 report from Science, citing a study from Israel's largest HMO. The figures suggest breakthrough infections may be more common than the term implies.

www.beckershospitalreview.com

So, 59% of 514 is (514) x 0.59 = 303

population of Israel just over 8.8 million, so 303 ÷ 8800000 = 0.0000344 or about 3.4 per 100000 people

As of 7 Sept, Israel 61% fully vaccinated, so 59% of all hospitalized patients being fully vaccinated aligns quite well with that class of people's prevalence in that society

Not shocking, just presented in a manner to make it appear shocking

 

[MCgrease08]

Holcomb has weighed in.

I'd like to see a little more fire in the belly, but about as strong as we can hope for from Governor Milquetoast.

'The announcement from President Biden is a bridge too far': Gov. Holcomb responds to vaccine mandates

"While I wish everyone would get the vaccine, we are a country built on this exact type of freedom," Indiana Gov. Eric Holcomb said in a statement.

www.wthr.com