Man pulls gun on cops outside of Applebee's

[Kirk Freeman]

Suicide by cop. The male cop did everything right. The female could have potentially gotten him killed by freezing. I also noted that neither reloaded. I don't think the male officer had any idea how many rounds were in the gun. Do LEO practice reloading once the threat stops?​

Threat stopped or is he playing possum? Is he down for good or will he get up like a bunch of people who have been shot?

Call it the "wolf is on my leg syndrome". I wouldn't muck with the club that just saved me. I may have to hit the wolf with the club again.

 

[jamil]

Looked like she likely had the first view of it but I think they both reacted and performed accordingly.

 

[PRasko]

I've eaten at that applebees before, and shopped at that walmart...

Fk.

 

[printcraft]

Man! Couldn't they have just shot the gun out of his hand!!??































No, not really.


Good shoot.

 

[Rookie]

Well, they did shoot and the gun came out of his hand. Happy now?

 

[Titanium_Frost]

Well that's what he gets for holding the gun in front of his body!

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Man! Couldn't they have just shot the gun out of his hand!!??

He was just letting the officers know that he had it in his pocket, and he wanted to surrender it to them instead of it being a surprise during the patdown later.

 

[Rookie]

He was just letting the officers know that he had it in his pocket, and he wanted to surrender it to them instead of it being a surprise during the patdown later.

That was very thoughtful of him.

 

[printcraft]

He was just letting the officers know that he had it in his pocket, and he wanted to surrender it to them instead of it being a surprise during the patdown later.

Ah, another victory for the must inform rule.

 

[halfmileharry]

anyone that stupid is just wasting oxygen anyway.

 

[femurphy77]

If it had been a real gun the female cop was in a bad spot, I believe she might not have gone home that night.

 

[T-DOGG]

you had the luxury of two videos and hindsight without the knowledge of their policy to come to that conclusion...and if he had pulled the gun there then the shooting would have likely happened in the bathroom...

I don't see where I came to any conclusions, I simply asked a question. Yes, I don't have first hand knowledge of police protocol or policy for an incident in that nature or environment. I was trying to understand the police officers' thought process, that was all. Thanks for answering my hypothetical question .

 

[calcot7]

what page was that?

 

[jblomenberg16]

Thanks for sharing and for the commentary. Much has already been said about the good work by the officers, etc. and I echo that.

Something that I saw as I watched the video a number of times is how much the laser jumps around. This is not a critical statement of either shooter, but rather a good indicator of just how much the gun can and will move in a very dynamic situation. While we all think we can put all rounds in a softball size group center of mass, the reality is that is probably a lot tougher to do in a real gun fight. It may also be a good reminder that quantity of available rounds in the gun can be very important, both from an initial engagement, and as other have stated, if the threat is not completely eliminated upon the first engagement.


It was clear they obviously made some critical hits that incapacitated the individual. It would be interesting to see the coroner's report to see the final shot placements.

 

[jblomenberg16]

Threat stopped or is he playing possum? Is he down for good or will he get up like a bunch of people who have been shot?

Call it the "wolf is on my leg syndrome". I wouldn't muck with the club that just saved me. I may have to hit the wolf with the club again.

Interesting thought. I wonder if the fact that the slide was still in battery that he assumed he had more rounds? He kept the target covered while his partner secured the weapon. Perhaps after the clip both take turns reloading and covering.

 

[SMiller]

Thanks for sharing and for the commentary. Much has already been said about the good work by the officers, etc. and I echo that.

Something that I saw as I watched the video a number of times is how much the laser jumps around. This is not a critical statement of either shooter, but rather a good indicator of just how much the gun can and will move in a very dynamic situation. While we all think we can put all rounds in a softball size group center of mass, the reality is that is probably a lot tougher to do in a real gun fight. It may also be a good reminder that quantity of available rounds in the gun can be very important, both from an initial engagement, and as other have stated, if the threat is not completely eliminated upon the first engagement.


It was clear they obviously made some critical hits that incapacitated the individual. It would be interesting to see the coroner's report to see the final shot placements.

It has been said that a lazer will slow your shots as you will chase the lazer around to get it back on target where as with night sights it appears you are on target and make faster follow up shots, practice practice practice and all in what works for you.

 

[actaeon277]

It has been said that a lazer will slow your shots as you will chase the lazer around to get it back on target where as with night sights it appears you are on target and make faster follow up shots, practice practice practice and all in what works for you.

Their shots didn't seem very slow to me.


I'm glad the officers are okay. And I'm sorry they went though that experience.

 

[Dosproduction]

That was crazy.

 

[SMiller]

Their shots didn't seem very slow to me.


I'm glad the officers are okay. And I'm sorry they went though that experience.

Absolutely, the male cop was badass! I was speaking in a general form, something for someone to give a try sometime.

I will go out on a limb and say if you asked that cop that he was not using the lazer to fire.

I could only hope to clear a level 3 holster and have that many COM shots that he did that fast and I think I am quick, respect!

 

[jblomenberg16]

Absolutely, the male cop was badass! I was speaking in a general form, something for someone to give a try sometime.

I will go out on a limb and say if you asked that cop that he was not using the lazer to fire.

I could only hope to clear a level 3 holster and have that many COM shots that he did that fast and I think I am quick, respect!

Exactly...he definitely was well trained and knew his weapon well.

I took a low light class with ACT a few years ago and a shooter was experimenting with a laser sight. He did spend a lot of time trying to get the laser to settle (which is pretty tough to do) vs. finding the front sight and pressing the trigger like you would in daylight. That helped me make my mind up that night sights + a weapon light were the best combination for me personally.