Man Dies After NYPD Chokehold

[Kutnupe14]

But there it is -
He wasn't killed for a cigarette. Cops make initial contact because of a legit call and he died because he was not cooperating at all. He completely resisted them.

As GFGT said - it wasn't worth dying for. Well, maybe for him it was cause he went for it.

Did they? Where's proof of that? Did the officers view the crime, or was it called in? If it was called in, under what authority do they have to physically restrain him?

 

[1911ly]

Did they? Where's proof of that? Did the officers view the crime, or was it called in? If it was called in, under what authority do they have to physically restrain him?

Can the police not detain you for suspicion of breaking the law if I there is probable cause?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Can the police not detain you for suspicion of breaking the law if I there is probable cause?

Probable cause, certainly. Where is it in this case?

 

[bingley]

Did Cliven Bundy resist arrest? I don't know if positioning snipers constitutes resisting arrest.

I think Mr. Duck here would advocate putting some rounds in Bundy and family. Maybe he'd even volunteer collecting money owed to the feds in the dead or alive fashion.

If Garner resisted arrest, he didn't do it very hard. From the video, it looks like he mostly just passively asked the police to leave him alone. We have the freedom of speech in this country, right? Or did we suddenly become China? Garner didn't run or fight. I'd think our level-headed LEOs on INGO would be able to get him down to the station without killing him.

 

[rambone]

Any man ought to stand up against laws they find repugnant. There's just the little matter of facing the consequences of your actions. Not all hills are worth dying on.

It is a shame that our government believes all hills are worth killing on.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

It is a shame that our government believes all hills are worth killing on.

Because all laws are ultimately enforced at the point of a gun?

 

[j706]

The fact of the matter is the guy is dead because he decided to resist. Sad but true. Anytime a physical altercation takes place people can easily get hurt or worse. The same goes for M Brown formerly of Furguson Mo. Brown is not dead over cigerellos and Gardner is not dead for selling smokes. To say other wise is just BS.

 

[bingley]

The fact of the matter is the guy is dead because he decided to resist. Sad but true. Anytime a physical altercation takes place people can easily get hurt or worse.

I didn't see any physical resistance in the arrest video. In fact, he seemed compliant even after the police initiated the use of force. Where are you getting this "resisting arrest" thing from?

 

[Expat]

I didn't see any physical resistance in the arrest video. In fact, he seemed compliant even after the police initiated the use of force. Where are you getting this "resisting arrest" thing from?

From the video. No one that has watched the video, that I know, has claimed otherwise.

 

[renauldo]

Gardner killed himself. He was morbidly obese and had known heart and asthma conditions. He was 43?, I thought he was in his 60's from appearances. When the police informed him he was under arrest he should of just submitted to being handcuffed and hauled away. He was terminally stupid for not telling police on the scene of his conditions and "please be careful". If he had a valid issue with the "loosies" law he should of taken it up at his trial. The guy had run ins with the cops before and knew the routine. Perhaps he was facing jail time this time around. The store owner called police because a bum was outside breaking the law selling single cigarettes. Gardner chose to gamble with his life by resisting and lost. Police "takedowns"? seem to involve all manner of guys that flaunt the law and insult police authority until they're overpowered and on the ground. Then they squeal like girls "you're hurting me, the cuffs are tight, I can't breathe, you're messing my hair, don't scuff my shoes". The bottom line is THEY DON'T WANT TO BE ARRESTED.

 

[Dead Duck]

Did they? Where's proof of that? Did the officers view the crime, or was it called in? If it was called in, under what authority do they have to physically restrain him?

I've read several places that this all started with mutable store owners in the area calling in to complain about Garner peddling stuff in front of their stores.

I think Mr. Duck here would advocate putting some rounds in Bundy and family. Maybe he'd even volunteer collecting money owed to the feds in the dead or alive fashion.

What on earth does the Bundy ranch have to do with a street punk in NY? Apples and......Carambolas. [h=3][/h]

 

[Kutnupe14]

Here, it all comes down to this for me.... should the officers be held criminally liable for improper use of force (is anyone debating that a choke isn't) that leads to the death of a resistor (passive or not)? If I did what these officers did, I'd expect to go to jail.

 

[Dead Duck]

I just saw this -
It appears that the police knew the Garners by name. Not in a good way.

Eric Garner's Widow: He Was 'Murdered Unjustly' - NBC News

 

[Kutnupe14]

I've read several places that this all started with mutable store owners in the area calling in to complain about Garner peddling stuff in front of their stores.

Ok, let's say that's true. Do think that meets the standard, without the officers themselves seeing the offense, to handcuff and detain a person? Regardless of his history, that's not how America is supposed to work.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I just saw this -
It appears that the police knew the Garners by name. Not in a good way.

Eric Garner's Widow: He Was 'Murdered Unjustly' - NBC News

They did, he was known to be a peddler of loose cigarettes. From what I have read, he never had a violent offense. In fact, it appears he was quite non-violent, as immediately prior to the video, he broke up a street fight.

 

[Denny347]

Ok, let's say that's true. Do think that meets the standard, without the officers themselves seeing the offense, to handcuff and detain a person? Regardless of his history, that's not how America is supposed to work.

What caused the GJ to rule as it did?

 

[Kutnupe14]

What caused the GJ to rule as it did?

In that I can't say. I'm honestly baffled. We all saw the vid. Perhaps, they had a reason to arrest him (which I'm having an incredibly hard time finding, and which I think is quite relevant). Do you have a theory as to why they didn't indict?

 

[Dead Duck]

Ok, let's say that's true. Do think that meets the standard, without the officers themselves seeing the offense, to handcuff and detain a person? Regardless of his history, that's not how America is supposed to work.

I wasn't there. Don't know what the officers saw or what Garner did to the officers to make them arrest him other than some ordinance in place. The video, you saw what I did. Looks like it starts after they were already determined to cuff him.

Besides the ordinance, could it be that the store owners had called and complained before and now he was trespassing there?

 

[Kutnupe14]

I wasn't there. Don't know what the officers saw or what Garner did to the officers to make them arrest him other than some ordinance in place. The video, you saw what I did. Looks like it starts after they were already determined to cuff him.

Besides the ordinance, could it be that the store owners had called and complained before and now he was trespassing there?

Your guess is as good as mine. The facts aren't out there, so it's easy to understand the anger.

 

[j706]

I just saw this -
It appears that the police knew the Garners by name. Not in a good way.

Eric Garner's Widow: He Was 'Murdered Unjustly'thoughtNews

I would not watch more than about one minute of the trash after seeing that stupid greedy racist vulture sitting next to her. She did admit her husband was lazy! Who would have ever thought.