That space is for OTHER states that have permits that qualify as a "loophole" to avoid the check.When I inquired about it, I was told they always did it (did I mention I'd bought several handguns from them in the last five years?). Sure enough there is a space on the 4473 for a LTCH number.
Why record it? Do you inform the customer that this is a store policy, not a federal or state mandate?Yes, it is line 23. Even though the box does not get checked since the IN LTCH does not qualify as a Brady exemption, we still note the number and expiration date if the buyer has one. If he doesn't, or doesn't want to show it, that's fine; we just seal the container.
FIFYIf we are selling a long gun we [STRIKE]generally don't[/STRIKE] should never ask if you have a LTCH. If you are purchasing a handgun then we generally ask so we know how to send the firearm out the door. It has no bearing on the purchasing at all.
Do you inform the buyer that this is to protect them from harassment by LE and not because of any legal (criminal) liability to you?We used to put them in a bag and staple it shut which was enough to satisfy most LEO. We have begun using a Zip-tie to make it a little more secure.
The responsibility of the shop ends at the NICS check. At that point if you want to duck tape the pistol to your forehead and pogo-stick home with or without a license, it's none of their business and not their responsibility.
I've never been asked at Bradis but I tend to go in with my firearm holstered on my hip [unloaded, slide locked back].
It is my understanding that if one does not have an LTCH, the law requires you to transport the handgun in a secure container. Thus, we secure it for you before you leave. What you do with it after you leave the shop is on you.
This makes sense to me. I don't understand why it seems to be a big deal for some people. Do what you want after you leave, then it is on your head.
It is my understanding that if one does not have an LTCH, the law requires you to transport the handgun in a secure container. Thus, we secure it for you before you leave. What you do with it after you leave the shop is on you.
This makes sense to me. I don't understand why it seems to be a big deal for some people. Do what you want after you leave, then it is on your head.
The law requires you to carry it in the proper manner. The law does not require the seller to package it in any specific way.
Why the disarming?
Do you inform the buyer that this is to protect them from harassment by LE and not because of any legal (criminal) liability to you?
Bradis has a big sign that says no loaded firearms, no exceptions. Apparently some people have carried w/o anyone saying anything and others have been told to take it back to their car.
It wasn't a big deal to me. What I was curious about
B) how long "always" was.
So to confirm. LTCH in Indiana is not ATF approved?
... line 23. Even though the box does not get checked since the IN LTCH does not qualify as a Brady exemption . . .
But no one has a problem with Bradis unnecessarily recording this info on a Federal Form?
See post #12.
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So to confirm. LTCH in Indiana is not ATF approved? I don't really care about bradis putting your gun in a bag, which is the just of the thread.