Liberty Safe’s gives FBI safe code

[GodFearinGunTotin]

It is not, GFGT seems to be saying the company should, for the sake of their reputation and customers expectations require the constitutional procedure not give it up voluntarily…

I believe there is an issue about maintaining a check on the state. The state should be required to go through due process to do their job. It keeps us all safe.

 

[Peacekeeper3073]

I recall Apple refusing to provide the FBI the access code to a Cali terrorist mass shooter's i-phone several years ago. FBI "said" they couldn't open it but did get it open years later.
Apple said it would destroy their customers' confidence in the security of their phones if they gave up the code, even for a dead terrorist's phone.
I guess Apple had more to lose than Liberty.

Not exactly. There is no 'master code' for Apple phones. The case hinged on compelling Apple to *actively assist in breaking their own encryption*, quite a different matter than turning over codes. Apple complies with court orders to provide information that exists, such as the contents of an icloud account.

Is that the same case the NSA declined to help, didn't want to reveal they could open it?

 

[T-DOGG]

To me, that’s not the point. Of course they can just cut it open from the side. I think the issue in question, is why they gave the code to get in, when they were under no legal obligation to. The warrant was for searching the owners property, there was no court order given to the manufacturer to give up the code.

Certainly contradicts their statement about being devoted to the protection of personal property and 2nd amendment rights of their customers.

 

[Butch627]

If I was ever in the market for a new safe this decision Liberty made would 100 percent take them out of my consideration list.

 

[Denny347]

Is it constitutional for a private company/individual, who no longer has any material interest in a piece of property to hand over sensitive information to a government agent without the current owner's permission?

The Constitution applies to public entities and not private businesses. The private business can do what they want with their information.

 

[bobzilla]

Liberty Safes are now actively assisting direct threats to the nation. That is exactly what the fib is at this point. A direct threat to the well being of this nation.

 

[Denny347]

It is not, GFGT seems to be saying the company should, for the sake of their reputation and customers expectations require the constitutional procedure not give it up voluntarily…

They likely determined that this was easier for them and quite likely make little difference to their bottom line.

 

[drillsgt]

They likely determined that this was easier for them and quite likely make little difference to their bottom line.

It’s easier just to say no.

 

[printcraft]

It’s easier just to say no.

I'm struggling to see where they thought there was an upside to complying.

 

[Denny347]

I'm struggling to see where they thought there was an upside to complying.

Ask them. It's really the only way to know.

 

[printcraft]

Hey @LibertySafe...

WTF fam?!

 

[Ingomike]

They likely determined that this was easier for them and quite likely make little difference to their bottom line.

Just more stupidity from businesses not knowing their customer base. And the history of business settling has cost consumers trillions, not to mention rights…

 

[printcraft]

Just more stupidity from businesses not knowing their customer base. And the history of business settling has cost consumers trillions, not to mention rights…

 

[drillsgt]

The comments on their FB page are not kind lol. Hopefully they have the number of a good PR fixer.

 

[Leo]

I do not have a safe, as mine fell out of the boat when I moved from Texas.

IF I did have one. the combination would have been changed as soon as it was brought home.

I am pretty sure the software in the electronic units all have a back door code that allows installing an alternate number, so you can get in with whatever code you just put in.

 

[Ingomike]

I do not have a safe, as mine fell out of the boat when I moved from Texas.

IF I did have one. the combination would have been changed as soon as it was brought home.

I am pretty sure the software in the electronic units all have a back door code that allows installing an alternate number, so you can get in with whatever code you just put in.

I bet there is a double secret electronic code (not consumer accessible) that is in the software…

 

[DadSmith]

Liberty Safe blasted over admission that it voluntarily gave FBI the access code to Jan. 6 protester's gun safe: 'Start marketing your stuff as Bud Light storage' | Blaze Media

A prominent gun safe company has come under fire after admitting that it voluntarily provided the access code for a customer's safe to the FBI. Liberty Safe's attempt to explain why the company readily surrendered a January 6 protester's code has not gone over well, prompting critics to threaten...

www.theblaze.com

"Absent a court order, you weren't required to give them anything. You voluntarily gave out a combination over a warrant, per your own release, that didn't apply to you or your property," wrote Sean Davis, CEO of the Federalist. "Maybe start marketing your stuff as Bud Light storage."

 

[printcraft]

We know the "image" they were trying to convey... "Liberty"... it's like, right there in the name and everything.

 

[drillsgt]

Some here are okay with it, nothing to see here etc

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

The Constitution applies to public entities and not private businesses. The private business can do what they want with their information.

Is it their information?