Lets play a game...

[ZenMaster]

The biggest problem is that those who are sufficiently lazy that they would choose not to provide for themselves, who would indulge in rape, who would indulge in murder for the sheer hell of it, all of a sudden are on the loose unrestrained, so I would have to be ready to take care of business when, not if, the need arises..

The government and its laws, for all of its reach and power, cannot eliminate this kind of behavior. We have it with or without authority figures. Further, you'll defend yourself as you deem necessary, in the face of such disgusting behavior, with or without authority figures.

 

[IndyDave1776]

The government and its laws, for all of its reach and power, cannot eliminate this kind of behavior. We have it with or without authority figures. Further, you'll defend yourself as you deem necessary, in the face of such disgusting behavior, with or without authority figures.

Reasonable enough.

Unfortunately, I am going to have to go get some work done!

Have a good day! Catch you next time!

 

[ZenMaster]

Reasonable enough.

Unfortunately, I am going to have to go get some work done!

Have a good day! Catch you next time!

It has been a pleasure, sir.

 

[BugI02]

I suppose if I met the Buddha on the road, while traveling after the disappearance of all government, I would have to kill him. lol

 

[SSGSAD]

The first thing I thought of, was our "pink" permission slips, wouldn't exist, so Constitutional carry .....

oh, wait, would the Constitution still exist ?????

 

[Libertarian01]

The premise in the question is false, that being that the fear is "irrational." It most certainly is NOT.

Let us look at real world scenario where this very incident almost identically occured: Iraq after the Americans came in and took over.

We disbanded all police, military, and governmental authority. We (the American military) protected only what WE wanted to keep intact. The rest - nada.

What followed was a tremendous loss of world history, starving animals at the zoo, looting, violence, etc.

The fear is most certain rational, logical, and cogent. The attempt to classify it otherwise is illogical.

Regards,

Doug

 

[Arthur Dent]

The first thing I thought of, was our "pink" permission slips, wouldn't exist, so Constitutional carry .....

oh, wait, would the Constitution still exist ?????

No government, no constitution.

Would I all of a sudden go off the reservation and start murdering, raping and pillaging? No. Don't need to, don't want to. Don't need laws or religion telling me what's bad. But if someone comes looking for trouble they'll find it.

 

[2A_Tom]

The question is flawed in that it asks a bunch of good citizens if they would snap in this situation.

The problem is not what we would do but what would those who currently live by the law of the jungle do.

Those who are now only slightly restrained by the deadly force threatened by the gubmint would be totally dependent upon their own wits to stay alive by making themselves the alpha of a group or become a fawning beta.

We who are restrained only by our christian beliefs will most likely not survive very long, as stealth will be the only thing that keeps us alive. Warlords will rise and their followers will wipe out those who do not submit.

 

[Arthur Dent]

The question is flawed in that it asks a bunch of good citizens if they would snap in this situation.

The problem is not what we would do but what would those who currently live by the law of the jungle do.

Those who are now only slightly restrained by the deadly force threatened by the gubmint would be totally dependent upon their own wits to stay alive by making themselves the alpha of a group or become a fawning beta.

We who are restrained only by our christian beliefs will most likely not survive very long, as stealth will be the only thing that keeps us alive. Warlords will rise and their followers will wipe out those who do not submit.

You're only restrained by your christian beliefs? Interesting.

 

[2A_Tom]

You're only restrained by your christian beliefs? Interesting.

I wouldn't expect one to understand unless they have the Spirit of God dwelling in him.

Natural Law = the survival of the fittest.

Christian law = First Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, mind, soul and strength. The second is like unto it Love thy neighbor as thy self.

NL = Survival and procreation.

CL = Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

If there is one hamburger and we're both hungry;

NlL = the strongest gets the hamburger.

CL = Share.

When the hamburger is gone,

NL = Kill the weaker and eat him.

CL = Kill the aggressor in self defense.

BTW CL = Don't eat him, there are lots of other ways to survive.

 

[jamil]

Ever read the history of Afghanistan?

 

[2A_Tom]

Oh! The Peaceful Poppy Paradise, Afghanistan?

Is there some thought that I like big oppressive government? If there is then you are wrong.

Have you ever read the book of Judges?

 

[jamil]

Oh! The Peaceful Poppy Paradise, Afghanistan?

Is there some thought that I like big oppressive government? If there is then you are wrong.

Have you ever read the book of Judges?

Sorry for the confusion. My post was directed towards the OP. If we want to see what men will do in a given context, we only need to review what men have done in similar contexts.

And yes, I've read the book of Judges. Been awhile though.

 

[2A_Tom]

OK, I thought you were talkin' to me, you talkin' to me?

 

[Arthur Dent]

I wouldn't expect one to understand unless they have the Spirit of God dwelling in him.

Natural Law = the survival of the fittest.

Christian law = First Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, mind, soul and strength. The second is like unto it Love thy neighbor as thy self.

NL = Survival and procreation.

CL = Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

If there is one hamburger and we're both hungry;

NlL = the strongest gets the hamburger.

CL = Share.

When the hamburger is gone,

NL = Kill the weaker and eat him.

CL = Kill the aggressor in self defense.

BTW CL = Don't eat him, there are lots of other ways to survive.

I'm a christian, but unlike you I do not need christian beliefs to know right from wrong and act accordingly. This isn't an attack on you or on christianity, merely a statement based on the information you have provided. Not everyone needs threat of real or imagined punishment to be a good human being.

 

[HoughMade]

I think that there's no doubt that if there were no government, courts, etc., it's pretty clear that everyone would live together in peace and harmony and that no one would try to victimize the weak for their own personal gain.

I don't see how anyone could think differently.

 

[Alpo]

Purple? Maybe in your cornfield. Bosnia, Chechnya...not so much.

 

[Arthur Dent]

I think that there's no doubt that if there were no government, courts, etc., it's pretty clear that everyone would live together in peace and harmony and that no one would try to victimize the weak for their own personal gain.

I don't see how anyone could think differently.

The good people would need to be on high alert 24/7 to protect themselves from the impulse control impaired people.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

If all governments ended tomorrow, by day after tomorrow, governments would begin springing back up again.

 

[Arthur Dent]

If all governments ended tomorrow, by day after tomorrow, governments would begin springing back up again.

Winner!