Landlord Goes Full Retard

[chezuki]

I'm "outraged" that we're focusing so much attention on this one word. Don't forget the other words we're supposed to ban!

[video=youtube_share;6dynbzMlCcw]http://youtu.be/6dynbzMlCcw[/video]

 

[hoosierdoc]

Are we equating personality traits with mental handicaps and the resulting societal stigmas now?

 

[mbills2223]

The use of the term "OP" is offensive to me. Please stop its use at once.

I'm "outraged" that we're focusing so much attention on this one word. Don't forget the other words we're supposed to ban!

[video=youtube_share;6dynbzMlCcw]http://youtu.be/6dynbzMlCcw[/video]

Apples to elephants.

 

[chezuki]

Are we equating personality traits with mental handicaps the resulting societal stigmas now?

No. I'm simply saying that banning a word, regardless of the reason, is retarded.

 

[hoosierdoc]

No. I'm simply saying that banning a word, regardless of the reason, is retarded.

Would you say the same thing sitting in front of a down syndrome child and his parents?

it is impossible to ban speech and your insinuation is disingenuous.

 

[chezuki]

Would you say the same thing sitting in front of a down syndrome child and his parents?

Probably not, but my vocabulary varies greatly depending on environment and company. I tend to drop more F-bombs in the garage than in church.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Would you say the same thing sitting in front of a down syndrome child and his parents?

it is impossible to ban speech and your insinuation is disingenuous.

Depends, I wouldn't use it to describe their child. For the reasons I stated in another post.

Probably not, but my vocabulary varies greatly depending on environment and company. I tend to drop more F-bombs in the garage than in church.

And this. Although I do tend to use Jesus, Jesus Christ or on occasion Jesus H or Fing Christ in the garage more than Church also.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Probably not, but my vocabulary varies greatly depending on environment and company. I tend to drop more F-bombs in the garage than in church.

This is my challenge to you then. Why would you act better in church then you would in your every day life?

"Our character is what we do when no one is looking." I think we have all said things in front of people we did not know where there. We should speak as if they are there, and then it doesn't matter. Please do not view this is me saying I am better than anyone, I'm just trying to point out a place we can all improve.

 

[BigBoxaJunk]

Would you say the same thing sitting in front of a down syndrome child and his parents?

That would be impolite. But do we really need regulation to prevent every social faux pas?

 

[mbills2223]

Nvm

 

[hoosierdoc]

That would be impolite. But do we really need regulation to prevent every social faux pas?

Define "regulation". If you mean "should we watch what we say", then yes.

is it different if a parent reads his comment on a gun forum or hears him say it? Both are statements attributed to the same individual. If someone will be offended by it, and they didn't think you used terms like that because you don't around them, it will seem even more negative to them because now they feel they misread you.

 

[Slawburger]

For those that have said they wouldn't use the word in a hateful manner to directly demean a person with a disability: you get credit for that. At least you are a big enough person not to directly pick on a defenseless innocent.


The use of harmful language; racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable language as an insult is not acceptable just because you use it in reference to someone that is not actually a member of a disadvantaged group. What about the lowlifes that aren't as decent as you? They hear the word used as an insult, it becomes slang, it gets used in a movie, becomes a catchphrase and therefore they think it is okay to pick on people weaker than them.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

For those that have said they wouldn't use the word in a hateful manner to directly demean a person with a disability: you get credit for that. At least you are a big enough person not to directly pick on a defenseless innocent.


The use of harmful language; racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable language as an insult is not acceptable just because you use it in reference to someone that is not actually a member of a disadvantaged group. What about the lowlifes that aren't as decent as you? They hear the word used as an insult, it becomes slang, it gets used in a movie, becomes a catchphrase and therefore they think it is okay to pick on people weaker than them.

What if a member of the disadvantaged group uses it to describe another member of that disadvantaged group? I'm trying to understand why it's bad for someone not in that group to use it, but in at least one case that I'm thinking of, it's okay for members within a group to refer to each other with a disparaging term.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

This is my challenge to you then. Why would you act better in church then you would in your every day life?

"Our character is what we do when no one is looking." I think we have all said things in front of people we did not know where there. We should speak as if they are there, and then it doesn't matter. Please do not view this is me saying I am better than anyone, I'm just trying to point out a place we can all improve.

Why do you define it as better? Different is not necessarily better or worse. I assume you and your wife are friendly with each other, do/would you act the same way in the bedroom when you're alone, with the kids (if any) in the living room, or in an exam room with a patient present? Some acts/actions and words maybe acceptable in all three, others in 2 or 1.

The use of harmful language; racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable language as an insult is not acceptable just because you use it in reference to someone that is not actually a member of a disadvantaged group. What about the lowlifes that aren't as decent as you? They hear the word used as an insult, it becomes slang, it gets used in a movie, becomes a catchphrase and therefore they think it is okay to pick on people weaker than them.

So I'm responsible for others actions? To put it in a firearm frame, because I carry a gun for protection I'm responsible for lowlifes that would use it differently?

 

[Slawburger]

What if a member of the disadvantaged group uses it to describe another member of that disadvantaged group? I'm trying to understand why it's bad for someone not in that group to use it, but in at least one case that I'm thinking of, it's okay for members within a group to refer to each other with a disparaging term.

I don't think it is a common occurrence with the particular pejorative term we are discussing.

If I am correctly guessing the term to which you are referring then I have no frame of reference. I just know that it is inappropriate for me to use it because it would be considered harmful and insulting so I eschew its use.

People with mental disabilities come in all flavors and it is a disability that crosses all lines: ethnic, religious, political, cultural, economic, etc. It can occur at birth or later. I just think we can be big enough not to use their condition as an insult or as a joke.

 

[Slawburger]

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So I'm responsible for others actions? To put it in a firearm frame, because I carry a gun for protection I'm responsible for lowlifes that would use it differently?

If you were using the firearm in an irresponsible manner and claiming that it was okay to do so then it would be reasonable to expect someone to point it out so hopefully you would not become a bad example for others. However, let's not go down the INGO rabbit hole of setting up comparisons to unrelated topics until we reduce it to the point of absurdity.

Words matter and it is inappropriate to use a real disability that impacts people through no fault of their own as an insult to others or as a joke. A society or group that fails to set boundaries for acceptable behavior and interactions is headed down a bad path. You do influence others by what you find acceptable or objectionable.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

If you were using the firearm in an irresponsible manner and claiming that it was okay to do so then it would be reasonable to expect someone to point it out so hopefully you would not become a bad example for others. However, let's not go down the INGO rabbit hole of setting up comparisons to unrelated topics until we reduce it to the point of absurdity.

Words matter and it is inappropriate to use a real disability that impacts people through no fault of their own as an insult to others or as a joke. A society or group that fails to set boundaries for acceptable behavior and interactions is headed down a bad path. You do influence others by what you find acceptable or objectionable.

But what I'm getting from you is that any use is irresponsible. Am I correct on that?

 

[mbills2223]

But what I'm getting from you is that any use is irresponsible. Am I correct on that?

You're comparing two entirely different things


Logical fallacy

 

[Slawburger]

But what I'm getting from you is that any use is irresponsible. Am I correct on that?

No sir.

The word does have a technical meaning without negative connotations and I see no problem with using it in that context. You can retard a spark to your heart's content. You can even retard the the decay of your deck through the judicious use of water sealer.

The word used to have a medical meaning that is no longer used and although I might wince; I would not find your use of it in that context objectionable (assuming you are not a medical practitioner and just didn't know any better).

When it is used as a pejorative to insult someone then it becomes objectionable and harmful because it sets a standard that it is okay to call someone by that term. When a word associated with a group of people is used to insult others by association then it is demeaning to innocents. Consider this possible internal reaction "He hates him so much that he said he was like me" or maybe "He said that guy was worthless because he was like me". When you use inclusion in a group as an insult then you are insulting, demeaning and lessening the human value of every member of that group.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

You're comparing two entirely different things


Logical fallacy

Yes two different things. What I asked originally was not to compare those things, it was to point out his logical fallacy in that I am responsible for others who may use a word differently than I. Then I asked if I was correct in my belief that he thought any use of the word was irresponsible.