KODIAK BEAR charged from 12 feet and taken with an M&P10MM.

[MinuteManMike]

If I am ever in brown bear country, I'm packing a 6" or longer .460 S&W on my hip. Nothing less.

 

[smokingman]

Guy kinda looks like Chuck Norris…..

Probably his cousin. It would explain how a 10mm stopped a 600lb charging bear from 12ft.

 

[smokingman]

So I listened to the entire podcast. A brief synopsis:

He was bow hunting and accompanied by a buddy and guide, both with rifles. He was carrying an M&P 2.0 with 220gr Underwood Hard Cast.

He was approaching the bear attempting to take a shot with his bow, but it spooked. He switched to his buddy's rifle, and took a shot, which they later determined hit the bear in the hind leg. Bear ran off, and they tracked it several miles.

They ultimately came upon the bear in some dense undergrowth. Bear charged his buddy who shot it in the chest at close range with his rifle. Buddy then fell over and the bear kept coming. Buddy fired again, but it's unclear from the story if he hit it or not. Tyce then took multiple (3?) shots with his 10mm handgun, striking the bear. From the way he described it, it sounded like he was aiming at the body (he said it was a big target), but he never actually specified where the handgun rounds impacted on the bear. The bear then fell and rolled down a hill. The guide approached it, poked it, and it reacted so the guide shot it behind the shoulder point blank with a rifle, finally finishing it off.

I'd like to know:
a.) How much damage did his buddy's close-range chest shot with the rifle do, and how much of a factor was that towards getting the stop?
b.) Where did the handgun rounds impact and what vitals did they hit?

Ultimately yes, the handgun shots likely made the difference between life and death for his buddy. It's a good thing he had it, was proficient with it under extreme pressure, and didn't hesitate to use it. I definitely wouldn't take this story as a endorsement to go after a brown bear armed with nothing but a 10mm handgun, though.

Ok now it makes sense.

 

[guns_up]

It doesn't matter what I'm carrying, if I survive, I'll be wearing my brown pants home. That being said, .454 Casull for me, but the 10mm does have some punch, not a bad option.

 

[gassprint1]

So I listened to the entire podcast. A brief synopsis:

He was bow hunting and accompanied by a buddy and guide, both with rifles. He was carrying an M&P 2.0 with 220gr Underwood Hard Cast.

He was approaching the bear attempting to take a shot with his bow, but it spooked. He switched to his buddy's rifle, and took a shot, which they later determined hit the bear in the hind leg. Bear ran off, and they tracked it several miles.

They ultimately came upon the bear in some dense undergrowth. Bear charged his buddy who shot it in the chest at close range with his rifle. Buddy then fell over and the bear kept coming. Buddy fired again, but it's unclear from the story if he hit it or not. Tyce then took multiple (3?) shots with his 10mm handgun, striking the bear. From the way he described it, it sounded like he was aiming at the body (he said it was a big target), but he never actually specified where the handgun rounds impacted on the bear. The bear then fell and rolled down a hill. The guide approached it, poked it, and it reacted so the guide shot it behind the shoulder point blank with a rifle, finally finishing it off.

I'd like to know:
a.) How much damage did his buddy's close-range chest shot with the rifle do, and how much of a factor was that towards getting the stop?
b.) Where did the handgun rounds impact and what vitals did they hit?

Ultimately yes, the handgun shots likely made the difference between life and death for his buddy. It's a good thing he had it, was proficient with it under extreme pressure, and didn't hesitate to use it. I definitely wouldn't take this story as a endorsement to go after a brown bear armed with nothing but a 10mm handgun, though.

Well after you reading to us, sounds much like a spoof to gain attention to the guy with the handgun.. someone trying to gain notoriety for something he actually didn't do.

 

[INgunowner]

So......
Goes bow hunting for grizzly bear,

Kills bear only after hitting it 7-ish times with various rounds plus pushing it off a cliff.

So much for all of that archery practice.

 

[NyleRN]

In this particular instance it sounds like multiple hits and no telling really which of those rounds may have done him in. Or possibly a combination of rounds. But the guys that live in Alaska will tell you that the G20 is a very common sidearm

 

[Bassat]

If I am ever in brown bear country, I'm packing a 6" or longer .460 S&W on my hip. Nothing less.

If I am ever in bear country. I am lost. Please send help.

 

[92FSTech]

Well after you reading to us, sounds much like a spoof to gain attention to the guy with the handgun.. someone trying to gain notoriety for something he actually didn't do.

I didn't get that feeling from listening to him. It sounds like he's a pretty experienced hunter and some stuff just went sideways on this one and he had to adapt. I think he was just trying to share an accurate account of what happened, not necessarily paint himself like a hero, nor did he at any point claim that his handgun alone is what stopped the bear. Unfortunately, the Instagram headline from S&W kinda makes it easy for people to assume that's what happened, especially if they don't have the time to listen to the full podcast.

 

[JoeSig]

I wonder if S&W will send him anything outside of the publicity shoutout. A slide or magazine baseplate with some sort of bear engraving would be neat. Not often that Smokey the Bear gets smoked with a handgun. Maybe some new pants for everyone who was there, at least.

 

[BigMoose]

 

[Creedmoor]

In this particular instance it sounds like multiple hits and no telling really which of those rounds may have done him in. Or possibly a combination of rounds. But the guys that live in Alaska will tell you that the G20 is a very common sidearm

Two of the guys I grew up with, take a bear with bow trip every two years.
On those trips they have met a few people that hunt bears with spears.
Both of those guys carry Glock 10MM's, I don't believe they have ever had to use them.

 

[two70]

So I listened to the entire podcast. A brief synopsis:

He was bow hunting and accompanied by a buddy and guide, both with rifles. He was carrying an M&P 2.0 with 220gr Underwood Hard Cast.

He was approaching the bear attempting to take a shot with his bow, but it spooked. He switched to his buddy's rifle, and took a shot, which they later determined hit the bear in the hind leg. Bear ran off, and they tracked it several miles.

They ultimately came upon the bear in some dense undergrowth. Bear charged his buddy who shot it in the chest at close range with his rifle. Buddy then fell over and the bear kept coming. Buddy fired again, but it's unclear from the story if he hit it or not. Tyce then took multiple (3?) shots with his 10mm handgun, striking the bear. From the way he described it, it sounded like he was aiming at the body (he said it was a big target), but he never actually specified where the handgun rounds impacted on the bear. The bear then fell and rolled down a hill. The guide approached it, poked it, and it reacted so the guide shot it behind the shoulder point blank with a rifle, finally finishing it off.

I'd like to know:
a.) How much damage did his buddy's close-range chest shot with the rifle do, and how much of a factor was that towards getting the stop?
b.) Where did the handgun rounds impact and what vitals did they hit?

Ultimately yes, the handgun shots likely made the difference between life and death for his buddy. It's a good thing he had it, was proficient with it under extreme pressure, and didn't hesitate to use it. I definitely wouldn't take this story as a endorsement to go after a brown bear armed with nothing but a 10mm handgun, though.

a) I have no additional information, just speculating but if the rifle shot actually hit the bear in the chest, then it was likely a single lung hit or a heart and one lung hit given the likely positioning of the bear. It is possible the bear took a heart hit and was still alive through the pistol shots until the final rifle shot but from the description, it sounds like a single lung hit was more likely. A bear could likely live a long time and do a lot of damage before succumbing to such a hit.

b) I'd be as interested in knowing how much penetration he got with the 10MM loads.



Also, a pet peeve of mine, point blank range does not mean close range as it is commonly misused. Point blank range is the MAXIMUM range at which a given cartridge is no more than half a target above or below the point of aim. PBR depends on both the cartridge and size of the target but even the pistol likely has a PBR of a 100 yards or more with a target the size of a bear's vital zone. With the rifle, PBR is likely at least couple hundred yards and could easily be 400 depending on the caliber.

 

[ghuns]

If I am ever in brown bear country, I'm packing a 6" or longer .460 S&W on my hip. Nothing less.

AR pistol in .458SOCOM would be my minimum.

 

[Creedmoor]

If I am ever in bear country. I am lost, and only have a Taurus 38 revolver. Please send help.

Fixed it...

 

[ghuns]

Fixed it...

IDK, with that .38 you can shoot yourself as the bear charges and save some pain and suffering.

 

[Creedmoor]

IDK, with that .38 you can shoot yourself as the bear charges and save some pain and suffering.

 

[bgcatty]

That really is a nice looking bear! I’m just bewildered at how many poorly placed shots he and his buddy took to finally bring down the bear. Notwithstanding any comment, I just don’t get bow hunting for large bears like this.

 

[Leadeye]

Bart the Bear in what should have won him an Oscar for The Edge. One scary bear movie.

 

[BigMoose]

There is a difference between hunting with a handgun for a big bear, and using a handgun as a latch ditch self defense weapon.

10MM is the smallest I would rely on for self defense vrs bear.

However, anything is better then nothing.