Israeli Combat Training - Tier 0 Operator

[techres]

Up side:

Might get some timid people in touch with their fierce place.

Down side:

Might get shot in the process.

Up side:

Interesting mix of styles - yells to confuse but then lays soft hands on student to instruct.

Down side:

Very self focussed promo.

Up side:

No students or instructors hurt thus far so may have good enough safety in place.

Down side:

Good schools have done less and people have still been hurt.

Up side:

He seems to target all levels of students in ability and demographics.

Down side:

That can increase safety concerns.

Up side:

He has not shared his political opinions yet.

Down side:

There is always next week.

Up side:

Que still has a chance to go.

Down side:

Que has not gone yet.


Take away:

I would not teach this way but could imagine it working. Would have to see it in person to understand how safety is built in to the instructional system because the video does not give me enough info to see how it functions appropriately.

Would I go? If it was free, sure. You never know what you might learn.

 

[Sgtusmc]

What I find peculiar is his claim of being a tier 0 operator. Now I don't know about tier definitions in the IDF, but tier 1 here in the CONUS is the elite of the elite and includes such groups as SAD, DEVGRU and the like.

 

[Expatriated]

What I find peculiar is his claim of being a tier 0 operator. Now I don't know about tier definitions in the IDF, but tier 1 here in the CONUS is the elite of the elite and includes such groups as SAD, DEVGRU and the like.

I was wondering the exact same thing. Tier 0 made me think it was a spoof at first. No one typically wants to be a zero.

And, with Tier 1 being the top as you stated, it seems very odd.

 

[Sgtusmc]

Israeli Combat Training

Video breakdown with lots of people busting on the guy.

 

[Sgtusmc]

According to his resume, he was in the Givati Brigade (the purple berets) while in the IDF.
You can read about their history here: Givati Brigade -
IDF

For the most part, they worked in the Gaza Strip. They are not a tier 1, nor a tier 2 unit from what I gather. After the IDF, he joined the border police and so on.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

He says its a spoof:

Ben Goldstein 1 hour ago
And the person who posted it created a new account just in order to post it? I am flattered someone would take his time and energy to create a fake youtube account, put his funny as hell verbiage underneath it and you dont notice this? You truly need awareness training.

but if you watch the video on his own website, its the same as the second part of the one on youtube. He DEFINITELY walks in front of a student with a loaded gun and finger on the trigger at 7:48 mark and that's the exact same as on his website.

Also, why would you do some sort of modified retention shooting while moving and then once you are within arm's reach go to a full shooting stance? That's bass ackwards from every bit of training I've ever had.

I'll pass.

 

[Sgtusmc]

He says its a spoof:



but if you watch the video on his own website, its the same as the second part of the one on youtube. He DEFINITELY walks in front of a student with a loaded gun and finger on the trigger at 7:48 mark and that's the exact same as on his website.

Also, why would you do some sort of modified retention shooting while moving and then once you are within arm's reach go to a full shooting stance? That's bass ackwards from every bit of training I've ever had.

I'll pass.

confused....

So mr Goldstein is saying the YouTube video is a spoof, but the video comes from his real website?

 

[BehindBlueI's]

confused....

So mr Goldstein is saying the YouTube video is a spoof, but the video comes from his real website?

I am also confused, but yes, that appears to be his claim. Perhaps he's saying some of the voice over has been changed? The second part of the possible spoof is definitely on his website as well.

Warning, when you visit his page it downloads an mp4 to your computer automatically. I deleted it w/o opening it, it may just be a video, but that seemed odd to me.

 

[rhino]

Four things:

1. Wow.
2. The self-confidence is admirable, I think, but a bit more self-awareness might be helpful in this case.
3. Why would anyone choose by default to go toward the sound of gunfire?
4. Assuming this is for realz, one would assume that the video contained the best images that the owner believed would promote his company in a positive way. If that's true, my mind is boggled by what we might have seen on video that didn't make the final edit.

 

[shooter521]

 

[Sgtusmc]

I am also confused, but yes, that appears to be his claim. Perhaps he's saying some of the voice over has been changed? The second part of the possible spoof is definitely on his website as well.

Warning, when you visit his page it downloads an mp4 to your computer automatically. I deleted it w/o opening it, it may just be a video, but that seemed odd to me.

If anything, the website video is just a different edit, not much difference.

Four things:

1. Wow.
2. The self-confidence is admirable, I think, but a bit more self-awareness might be helpful in this case.
3. Why would anyone choose by default to go toward the sound of gunfire?
4. Assuming this is for realz, one would assume that the video contained the best images that the owner believed would promote his company in a positive way. If that's true, my mind is boggled by what we might have seen on video that didn't make the final edit.

Average citizens run from gunfire and should to protect their family. Running towards the gunfire is more of a military strategy. Having your enemy close and in sight allows you to keep tabs on the situation and to determine the best strategical manuever. It's also an aggressive maneuver to push the threat into fight or flight thinking which can disrupt the initial attack. This can effect the morale of others posing a threat.

 

[Aaron1776]

Four things:

1. Wow.
2. The self-confidence is admirable, I think, but a bit more self-awareness might be helpful in this case.
3. Why would anyone choose by default to go toward the sound of gunfire?
4. Assuming this is for realz, one would assume that the video contained the best images that the owner believed would promote his company in a positive way. If that's true, my mind is boggled by what we might have seen on video that didn't make the final edit.

This.

Running towards the sound of gunfire is not something I could ever imagine in good conscience teaching. If someone decides they want to go in and risk themselves to save others....that is their call. Promoting it to anyone other than military types who have been selected and trained for it seems irresponsible. Teaching serious self awareness and honesty of one's own abilities seems more valuable.

But hey. Whacky skill drills? Backwards use of rentention/ full extension shooting? A guy who promotes rushing into danger? An instructor with a high octive voice "yelling" at me? Being muzzled?

Please. Sign me up.

 

[cedartop]

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Also, why would you do some sort of modified retention shooting while moving and then once you are within arm's reach go to a full shooting stance? That's bass ackwards from every bit of training I've ever had.

I'll pass.

Glad someone else caught that. That was actually my biggest complaint.

 

[Sgtusmc]

 

[Smokepole]

And everyone knows that if it's on the internet it HAS to be true. They can't put anything on the internet that isn't true.

 

[HICKMAN]

but it's TIER 0!!!

 

[Cameramonkey]

Tier 0.... Isnt that kinda like my amp that goes to 11?

 

[newdumdum9825]

well he did say finger never leaves the trigger

 

[Aaron1776]

Looking at his resume:

Israel Defense Force: ‘Givati Brigade’ Infantry Combat

• Honorable discharge with rank of first sergeant​

• Operated in multiple hostile environments, commanding checkpoints, house raids and ambushes​

• Served in an anti-terror capacity in Lebanon, Ramallah, Nablus and Bethlehem
Currently a reserve non commissioned officer, serving in a front-line combat unit ​

Border Police​

• 7 years with the Israel Border Police (Mishmar HaGvul) in an anti-terror capacity​

• Currently train twice annually with former members of the elite Israeli “YAMAM” Border Police anti-terror unit​

Close Protection / VIP Protection
• Armed VIP protection with 4 years experience​

• Team leader protecting the Chief Rabbi of Israel, Rabbi Yonah Metzger, during his recent visit to Memphis, TN and Cleveland, OH​

• Licensed and insured as an armed private protective security officer
• Bi-Annual close protection training / recertification in Israel overseen by professional Israeli close protection specialists​

This reminded me of another thread I really appreciated "You are not an Operator"

We can pick out what we disagree with in the promo video, but let's just say for a second that everything he teaches is on the up and up and exactly how Israeli commandos do it.
Great.
So what?
Nothing he has listed above (beyond weapons manipulation) really has much to do with the typical CCW type here in the US. It might be great for Israeli commandos responding to terror attacks in the Gaza strip...but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?