Is Toyota more American than GM or Ford???

[dross]

All I know is my Grandfathers were shot at by airplanes made by Mitsubishi not Chevrolet.

I agree with most that there is not a 100% American car company it is unfortunately a Global economy, all I know is I can not and will not drive an Import. At least Mexico and Canada never tried to kill both of my grandfathers.

The people who shot at your grandfathers are all dead. The government that went to war with us has been long gone for 65 years, replaced by a government who was one of our allies after 911, sending troops to help.

Is Japan our enemy forever, just because it's the same land mass and made up of people from the same ethnicity? Or was it the government, now long gone, and the people now dead?

Perhaps I should boycott products from England because of the Highland clearances which oppressed my ancestors.

Do you feel the same way about Germany?

During the Cold War, our radars looked into Czechoslovakia, now the Czech Republic, which has embraced capitalism and freedom. Should I hold a grudge? Maybe I should sell the CZ P01 I'm wearing right now.

I don't get it.

 

[trnsplntfrmohio]

what the heck are you talking about the stock market for? I'm talking about getting people who actually do the work good jobs, not letting American car companies being run into the ground while shipping labor over seas.

 

[topash]

OK, just thought of this. If American auto makers export mfg facilities to Mexico and China, India, Honduras, etc.. BUT Toyota, Honda, and Subaru import facilities for manufacturing vehicles and employ American workers which is more American?

It seems as though buying American actually means buying Japanese.
I could be wrong, but I know alot of guys who work at Toyota and alot more that were let go from Ford.

There are two different concepts here; "which is more American" and "buying American".

The U.S. has adopted capitalism which is about maximizing profit, not where or how products are made, so the most American company is the company that returns the most net profit to the U.S.

Buying American is solely based on your definition of American. One person's "American" definition can be very different than the next person's.

 

[Disposable Heart]

The people who shot at your grandfathers are all dead. The government that went to war with us has been long gone for 65 years, replaced by a government who was one of our allies after 911, sending troops to help.

Is Japan our enemy forever, just because it's the same land mass and made up of people from the same ethnicity? Or was it the government, now long gone, and the people now dead?

Perhaps I should boycott products from England because of the Highland clearances which oppressed my ancestors.

Do you feel the same way about Germany?

During the Cold War, our radars looked into Czechoslovakia, now the Czech Republic, which has embraced capitalism and freedom. Should I hold a grudge? Maybe I should sell the CZ P01 I'm wearing right now.

I don't get it.

Plus 1. The guys who want to RE-LIVE the sins of their fathers are doomed only to repeat and repeat and repeat the cycle.

When I worked in Japan, I got to play dominoes against a WW2 vet. A JAPANESE WW2 vet. That was a tense first 5 minutes, but then a great 3 hours. Even when they were our "enemies" as a whole, there were quite a few individuals that could have cared less or were FORCED into service by the Japanese government of the time.

Seems every generation wants to hang onto and try to refight the past generations wars... Sad and doesn't have to be. But in the minds of some, Tojos are still Tojos and are unwilling to change. Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it, yes, but those who repeat history are doomed to repeat it was well...

 

[bman1962]

what the heck are you talking about the stock market for? I'm talking about getting people who actually do the work good jobs, not letting American car companies being run into the ground while shipping labor over seas.

I'm talking about the amount of foreign investors in the market the profits don't just stay here in the US anyway's, I actually agree with what you have been saying 100%.
If the company employ's american workers I could give 2 hoots in heck what country it is based in.

 

[trnsplntfrmohio]

ok i was just seriously confused.

and plus it's not like the stock market matters to us 3rd class citizens any how.

 

[Hotdoger]

All I know is my Grandfathers were shot at by airplanes made by Mitsubishi not Chevrolet.

I agree with most that there is not a 100% American car company it is unfortunately a Global economy, all I know is I can not and will not drive an Import. At least Mexico and Canada never tried to kill both of my grandfathers.

Hows that Chevy truck with jap Isuzu motor in it working for ya?

Light Cruiser Isuzu | World War II Database

 

[Andre46996]

Hows that Chevy truck with jap Isuzu motor in it working for ya?

Light Cruiser Isuzu | World War II Database

Full size Chevy... Isuzu doesn't make a 6.0L.

 

[Hotdoger]

Full size Chevy... Isuzu doesn't make a 6.0L.

GM does put the 6.6 Isuzu motor(duramax) in though.
You gonna quit buying GMs now?

 

[whocares]

My grandpa used to say things like " damn jap this, or damn jap that, never would own a jap..."

Two reasons he could say those things were he was a 16 year Marine Corps veteran, fought in WWIi and again in Korea. Additionally when I was a young child he would emberass me in public with his blatant disrespect of any Asian person. I could not identify with what he had experienced in combat and did not understand until maturity and age allowed.
Beyond that I know that were he still alive he would have rode a horse before driving a Honda.
Thats what US auto makers were betting on. That the name of their company, an American institution would trump their exportation of jobs and money away from our country. Truly it has taken way to long to realize that these companys have sold out on the people who helped build their empires.
When Japanese companies starteding mfg to the US it was with the intention of being able to say
look where this was made and look where your Chevy was made.

 

[Andre46996]

GM does put the 6.6 Isuzu motor(duramax) in though.
You gonna quit buying GMs now?

Nope! That's my story and I'm sticking to it. If you prefer foreign be my guest and buy foreign, I am not trying to change anyone"s mind and I really don't care what you drive.

It is my opinion and you have yours. Maybe next we can discuss OC vs. CC or maybe AR vs. AK . That would be another pointless argument. I like what I like and you like what you like. Is it going to influence my opinion of you? Nope.

However you trying to belittle or change my opinion will.

Have a nice day.

 

[trnsplntfrmohio]

My grandpa used to say things like " damn jap this, or damn jap that, never would own a jap..."

Two reasons he could say those things were he was a 16 year Marine Corps veteran, fought in WWIi and again in Korea. Additionally when I was a young child he would emberass me in public with his blatant disrespect of any Asian person. I could not identify with what he had experienced in combat and did not understand until maturity and age allowed.
Beyond that I know that were he still alive he would have rode a horse before driving a Honda.
Thats what US auto makers were betting on. That the name of their company, an American institution would trump their exportation of jobs and money away from our country. Truly it has taken way to long to realize that these companys have sold out on the people who helped build their empires.
When Japanese companies starteding mfg to the US it was with the intention of being able to say
look where this was made and look where your Chevy was made.

My grandpa was patroling the beaches of Guam when pearl harbor was attacked. As long as I can remember since 1985 (year I was born, his vehicles he had)
19xx-1993 Nissan "Truck"
1993-1997 Honda Passport
1997-1999 Ford Ranger
1999-2006 Honda CR-V
2006 until death Another Honda CR-V

notice what vehicle he owned the shortest?

 

[Hotdoger]

Nope! That's my story and I'm sticking to it. If you prefer foreign be my guest and buy foreign, I am not trying to change anyone"s mind and I really don't care what you drive.

It is my opinion and you have yours. Maybe next we can discuss OC vs. CC or maybe AR vs. AK . That would be another pointless argument. I like what I like and you like what you like. Is it going to influence my opinion of you? Nope.

However you trying to belittle or change my opinion will.

Have a nice day.

I did not "belittle" anything. Just pointed out some facts to ya.

 

[Armed Citizen]

But aren't the boys and girls who put the "foreign" cars together here on US soil more important than the white collar good old boys club who ran GM and Chrysler into the ground by shipping labor over seas/across borders and compromising quality in the name of trying to compete with cost?

Like I said, I'm thankful that these companies offer employment to "USA" (PC) workers. It is a shame that the "USA" (PC) automotive companies (THE BIG THREE) have gotten so profit driven that they export jobs overseas. I remember when "Made in the USA" meant something. I have NEVER owned a foreign "LABELED" vehicle. Nor, will I ever.
What future will be left for the next generation? What future is left for OUR generation? There are alot of things that have driven the BIG THREE's cars to be so over priced and un-affordable. These topics were discussed on one of my earlier post. This is just my opinion.

 

[trnsplntfrmohio]

Like I said, I'm thankful that these companies offer employment to "USA" (PC) workers. It is a shame that the "USA" (PC) automotive companies (THE BIG THREE) have gotten so profit driven that they export jobs overseas. I remember when "Made in the USA" meant something. I have NEVER owned a foreign "LABELED" vehicle. Nor, will I ever.
What future will be left for the next generation? What future is left for OUR generation? There are alot of things that have driven the BIG THREE's cars to be so over priced and un-affordable. These topics were discussed on one of my earlier post. This is just my opinion.

I'm just wondering why you are so concerned about it, if you buy a U.S. made foreign car you're putting more money back into the economey if you were to buy an American car. You do know that right? I don't really understand what you're talking about being overpriced and un-affordable, parts for my Focus are 10x cheaper than parts for any "foreign" car. Just keep in mind, while you may be buying an "american" car all you're doing is putting money back into the pockets of greedy ceo's.

you do know that every "foreign" manufacture runs some kind of llc or inc as the ***** of United States, right?

BMW employees has more jobs here in America than they do in Germany? Do you know why? Because their main market is here in this country.
Same with every other "foreign" manufcatures. They don't sell Accords, Camrys, Lexuses 5 series and 7 series BMW's anywhere else in the world like they do here in our country. Why? because people want them. Else where in the world, people just want basic transportation. But Ford offeres much better basic transportation compared to Toyota or Honda but that is simply on a quality basis, remember, people in other countries don't give 2 ****s about cars the way us Americans do. .

Trust, me I will buy a Ford for my next car because I WANT to. But I do understand that I'll be putting my money back into mexico. If I were to buy a civic, I'd be putting my money right back into Ohio, to the people who matter. The factory workers. Not some greedy ceo who is never going to spend any kind of money to impact our ecomeny the way MULTIPLE factory workers do.

 

[ThrottleJockey]

OK, just thought of this. If American auto makers export mfg facilities to Mexico and China, India, Honduras, etc.. BUT Toyota, Honda, and Subaru import facilities for manufacturing vehicles and employ American workers which is more American?

It seems as though buying American actually means buying Japanese.
I could be wrong, but I know alot of guys who work at Toyota and alot more that were let go from Ford.

I'm not going to read the page after page of opinions, I'm just going to give you mine. The toyotas, hondas, etc that are built here create jobs her albeit not UAW jobs. Additionally, the parts they use are made here withing a 50 mile radius of the plant also creating jobs here. This does not hold true of the GM, Chrysler, Fords. IF you are lucky enough to get one that was actually assembled here, it is from parts made in Mexico or Canaduh. I don't know if it is still true or not, but you used to be able to tell if a "jap" car was made here or overseas by the side that the gas fill was on. Drivers side = US made, Passengers side = overseas. With the honda motorcycles like the goldwing and valkrie, the US made ones don't have reverse while the japanese made bikes do.


In short, YES Toyota and Honda, etc...DOES mean a more American car than GM or Ford or Chrysler. This is why I feel we should have let them fail. The jobs lost would have been mexican and canadian jobs making way for more japanese manufactures to hire AMERICANS building factories and cars HERE.

 

[Armed Citizen]

Quote from Nikita Kruschev

"We will take America without firing a shout. We will BURY YOU. We can't expect the American people to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism. We don't have to invade the United States, we will destroy them from within"

Do you think possibly? That buying foreign products, building foreign factories, could possibly equate to "We don't have to invade the United States, we will destroy them from within"?

Once again, just the thought's of a PROUD AMERICAN. Maybe we don't sell many American made cars in Japan because we generously gave them the ATOMIC BOMB (TWICE) Maybe the Japanese people didn't forget that????

 

[ThrottleJockey]

Quote from Nikita Kruschev

"We will take America without firing a shout. We will BURY YOU. We can't expect the American people to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism. We don't have to invade the United States, we will destroy them from within"

Do you think possibly? That buying foreign products, building foreign factories, could possibly equate to "We don't have to invade the United States, we will destroy them from within"?

Once again, just the thought's of a PROUD AMERICAN. Maybe we don't sell many American made cars in Japan because we generously gave them the ATOMIC BOMB (TWICE) Maybe the Japanese people didn't forget that????

No, I think NAFTA equates to being taken from within. Let's not forget, NAFTA is the reason for and the way we get our parts and factories in Mexico and Canaduh. The "foreign" factories are here on our soil and will stay here even if we kick their current operators out. I don't care what the name stamped on my car says, if its production creates American jobs and feeds American families then it directly benefits America, and if it produces mexican/canadian jobs feeding mexican/canadian families then it DOES NOT benefit America. The belief that GM,Ford,Chrysler equates to american benefit is another way of taking us from within, as the place of benefit shifts so must the loyalties.

 

[Bosshoss]

Everyone acts like GM, Chrysler, and Ford no longer have american workers making cars and trucks. Their are thousands of AMERICAN workers still making GM, Ford, and Chrysler cars and trucks in the USA. Thousands more working for suppliers and companys manufacturing and delivering parts to the big three. Are the vehicles and parts all american made? NO, EVERYONE outsouces some parts. Look on the window sticker it tells what % of parts in vehicle is domestic.

By the way the Honda motorcycle plant in Ohio who made the Goldwing, Valkrie, and shadows for years closed last year. A new plant was built in Japan and all motorcycle production from Ohio was moved there.

 

[ThrottleJockey]

Everyone acts like GM, Chrysler, and Ford no longer have american workers making cars and trucks. Their are thousands of AMERICAN workers still making GM, Ford, and Chrysler cars and trucks in the USA. Thousands more working for suppliers and companys manufacturing and delivering parts to the big three. Are the vehicles and parts all american made? NO, EVERYONE outsouces some parts. Look on the window sticker it tells what % of parts in vehicle is domestic.

By the way the Honda motorcycle plant in Ohio who made the Goldwing, Valkrie, and shadows for years closed last year. A new plant was built in Japan and all motorcycle production from Ohio was moved there.

Thousands? Okay but what about the MILLIONS reported to be saved when we bailed them out? So out of MILLIONS, we have thousands employed here in the US.....Not worth it to me, I'd rather go with the ones built here from parts made here.

BTW, Chrysler is now owned by the Italians and the union, before that, Daimler (Germans) owned them......