Is this THING legal?

[Norm Dicks]

Is this thing legal?
Saw this for sale on another site and I didn't think it was legal.
But what do I know. A glove box shotgun, dang!

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[bigcraig]

Where did you see that, and was it for sale?

It can be legal, if the paperwork was done properly.

 

[sanzo87]

nice i like it

 

[VUPDblue]

Where did you see that, and was it for sale?

It can be legal, if the paperwork was done properly.

It would have to be on a Form4 as a Short Barreled Shotgun, but if it were, then it would be legal.

ETA: The thing is currently owned by the owner of Pop Guns (Mike). I just called the shop inquiring about it and the guy who answered the TX told me it was Mike's. I asked if it was papered as an AOW and he said he didn't know. Judging by the stock, I don't see how it could be an AOW, but you never know. I'm going to call back tomorrow and see what I can find out. It just so happens that I am in the market for something similar....

 

[sanzo87]

i thought it would be an aow?

 

[Lars]

but not legal in Indiana as we're prohibited from having Short Barreled Shotguns.

 

[Lars]

i thought it would be an aow?

It's only an AOW if it has NEVER had a stock on the receiver.
looking at the grip, it looks as if the stock was cut off, and the grip re-formed into that nice pistol grip.

Which makes it an SBS.

 

[VUPDblue]

That thing is listed on GunBroker and the seller is in Marion County Indiana! Now, unless all the planets are aligned properly, that thing is a SBS and therefore illegal in Indiana...

 

[sanzo87]

oh ok i thought because it was turned into the pistol grip if that was done b4 the shorting of the barreled it would be an aow

 

[koveras225]

i thought it would be an aow?

only if it never had a shoulder stock... and from the looks of it, this one did.

heh... looks like i was a little slow... time for a nap i think

 

[Norm Dicks]

Where did you see that, and was it for sale?

It can be legal, if the paperwork was done properly.

Gunbroker.com

$595.00
YIKES! Sounds a bit high to me?

 

[Bill of Rights]

Seems to me that IC 35-47-5 could and should be repealed with the possible exception of 35-47-5-13, making it an additional crime to use body armor during the commission of another felony.

Norm, a Serbu Super Shorty would be even more, though it would be fully legal.

Curiosity: is the SSS legal because it never had a shoulder stock in the first place?

TIA!

Blessings,
B

 

[cougar_guy04]

Seems to me that IC 35-47-5 could and should be repealed with the possible exception of 35-47-5-13, making it an additional crime to use body armor during the commission of another felony.

Norm, a Serbu Super Shorty would be even more, though it would be fully legal.

Curiosity: is the SSS legal because it never had a shoulder stock in the first place?

TIA!

Blessings,
B

That's correct. The Serbu is never manufactured as a shotgun, goes straight to AOW form.

 

[esrice]

Its like the Serbu's great Grandaddy!

 

[bigcraig]

Nick and I were talking about AOW's very similar to that on our way home from INGO NFA day.

He and I are taking bets on how it is registered, but suffice it to say, if it is on a form4 or form3 as an AOW, consider it sold.

 

[Norm Dicks]

I am glad you liked it!
I'll see if I can find something else of interest out there.
Keep us posted if you buy it! It is a nasty looking little feller!

 

[Lars]

Craig, if you give that a new home, can I get on the list of people to be punished by it?

 

[bigcraig]

I already have the Serbu, thats enough wrist punishment for me.

Nick already called dibs on it!

 

[ryanmercer]

Either way it's cool

 

[kludge]

IC 35-47-5-4.1
Sawed-off shotgun
Sec. 4.1. (a) A person who:
(1) manufactures;
(2) causes to be manufactured;
(3) imports into Indiana;
(4) keeps for sale;
(5) offers or exposes for sale; or
(6) gives, lends, or possesses;
any sawed-off shotgun commits dealing in a sawed-off shotgun, a Class D felony.
(b) The presence of a weapon referred to in subsection (a) in a motor vehicle (as defined under IC 9-13-2-105(a)) except for school buses and a vehicle operated in the transportation of passengers by a common carrier (as defined in IC 8-2.1-17-4) creates an inference that the weapon is in the possession of the persons occupying the motor vehicle. However, the inference does not apply to all the persons occupying the motor vehicle if the weapon is found upon, or under the control of, one (1) of the occupants. In addition, the inference does not apply to a duly licensed driver of a motor vehicle for hire who finds the weapon in the licensed driver's motor vehicle in the proper pursuit of the licensed driver's trade.
(c) This section does not apply to a law enforcement officer who is acting in the course of the officer's official duties or to a person who manufactures or imports for sale or sells a sawed-off shotgun to a law enforcement agency.

In Indiana, proper paperwork gets you a machine gun. There are no such exceptions in the sawed-off shotgun code.