Is this gouging?

[hornadylnl]

$290,500 for a piece of plastic that cost no more than a couple bucks new.

Signed Copy of the Beatles' 'Sgt. Pepper' Sells for 290,500 at Auction | Music News | Rolling Stone

 

[warthog]

Yes. Because I sold mine for a lot less.

well, mine wasn't signed but it was in good shape.

 

[churchmouse]

Auction versus straight single party sale.
Ridiculous price.....yes....gouging....no

 

[pudly]

So is a high price at an auction different than a high price at a single party sale?

 

[warthog]

reread what he said, he said it wasn't gouging...

 

[churchmouse]

So is a high price at an auction different than a high price at a single party sale?

Of course it is. An auction is a competition between bidders and you can opt out without penalty at any time. If you stay in it to win it you are aware of the end results as you go.

 

[Miles42]

Yes a high price at auction at least affords one the opportunity of a lower price. A bidding process with no reserve is always a better choice. The seller takes a chance as well as they buyer.

 

[BudS]

One mans trash is another mans treasure...

 

[hornadylnl]

Of course it is. An auction is a competition between bidders and you can opt out without penalty at any time. If you stay in it to win it you are aware of the end results as you go.

Yes a high price at auction at least affords one the opportunity of a lower price. A bidding process with no reserve is always a better choice. The seller takes a chance as well as they buyer.

So why all the hatred for gunbroker and those who sell there around here?

 

[pudly]

Of course it is. An auction is a competition between bidders and you can opt out without penalty at any time. If you stay in it to win it you are aware of the end results as you go.

Yes a high price at auction at least affords one the opportunity of a lower price. A bidding process with no reserve is always a better choice. The seller takes a chance as well as they buyer.

That's strange. Any auction I've attended allowed you to stop bidding and avoid paying at any point you decided the price was too high. If someone offers an item for simple single payer transaction you have exactly the same choice: is the price higher than I can afford and am willing to pay or not? I'm not really seeing how one type of selling can be considered gouging and the other not. The biggest difference that I can see is that it makes it more visible that there are other people who are interested in purchasing the same product and may be willing to pay a high price.

 

[warthog]

I don't have any hate for GB, I don't hate even you.

It's that people are stupid enough to pay, but that's their deal.
It is what drives this shortage though... but I think you like how things are maybe...

all that happens in the end is a few people make the average price of ammo go up for all of us.
Sure, that's what is going to happen anyway, IN TIME.
why express a desire for it to go up faster?

maybe you only collect and never shoot?

 

[churchmouse]

That's strange. Any auction I've attended allowed you to stop bidding and avoid paying at any point you decided the price was too high. If someone offers an item for simple single payer transaction you have exactly the same choice: is the price higher than I can afford and am willing to pay or not? I'm not really seeing how one can be considered gouging and the other not. Thee biggest difference that I can see is that it makes it more visible that there are other people who are interested in purchasing the same product and may be willing to pay a high price.

Uh....really, that is exactly what I said....I think.

Both are choices......................

 

[hornadylnl]

I don't have any hate for GB, I don't hate even you.

It's that people are stupid enough to pay, but that's their deal.
It is what drives this shortage though... but I think you like how things are maybe...

all that happens in the end is a few people make the average price of ammo go up for all of us.
Sure, that's what is going to happen anyway, IN TIME.
why express a desire for it to go up faster?

maybe you only collect and never shoot?

I'm in the same market you are. I don't have a special store where I can buy stuff at pre panic prices. I'm a proponent of capitalism and don't want to see altruism destroy our economy. I'd rather have the option of buying something at a high price than not be able to buy it at all.

Coombayay is not a song on my playlist. I also don't feel I'm entitled to the property of others at prices they're not willing to sell at.

 

[churchmouse]

So why all the hatred for gunbroker and those who sell there around here?

I have no real hatred. I just do not care for the mindset of many I have known who jump at the chance to ride any new wave for short term big profit. It's personal and would take a lot of time to explain.

As to those in this forum....their guns are still posted and not moving.
I tried to buy a piece right as the madness started. I had the deal sealed. Seller opted out and I saw the very same piece on GB that day. That to me is just not the way to do business...again, personal.

I am sure you feel it is OK as it is sellers choice. With that I also have no issue. I am a verbal/handshake kind of guy. Raised that way and will end that way.

 

[hornadylnl]

I have no real hatred. I just do not care for the mindset of many I have known who jump at the chance to ride any new wave for short term big profit. It's personal and would take a lot of time to explain.

As to those in this forum....their guns are still posted and not moving.
I tried to buy a piece right as the madness started. I had the deal sealed. Seller opted out and I saw the very same piece on GB that day. That to me is just not the way to do business...again, personal.

I am sure you feel it is OK as it is sellers choice. With that I also have no issue. I am a verbal/handshake kind of guy. Raised that way and will end that way.

I haven't sold the first thing since the panic started. The enjoyment I get of seeing supposed conservatives trash the free market is worth more than the few bucks I could make off my stuff. Can't wait to hear all these same whiners to tell me I have to vote for the next retread republican presidential candidate to prevent the next socialist democrat from destroying the country.

 

[warthog]

Kumbaya is the actual name and it's a Christian Hymn rather than some commie song as you suggest. It's OK to not be Christian too.

You aren't even old enough to remember Hippies so I wonder, is it your parents that you hate so much?
Hate is what you throw around, not me, like your buddy 38spl, you project it into everything you read.

 

[warthog]

There's a lot more to being Conservative that a Free Market.

I am pretty sure you have no idea what I'm talking about too.

 

[hornadylnl]

Kumbaya is the actual name and it's a Christian Hymn rather than some commie song as you suggest. It's OK to not be Christian too.

You aren't even old enough to remember Hippies so I wonder, is it your parents that you hate so much?
Hate is what you throw around, not me, like your buddy 38spl, you project it into everything you read.

If you're a mind reader, I suggest you find a new line of work.

I don't hate the seller. I hate the entitled. What's different than a welfare queen who thinks they're entitled to a portion of my paycheck than a gun owner who thinks they're entitled to my stash at old prices?

 

[hornadylnl]

There's a lot more to being Conservative that a Free Market.

I am pretty sure you have no idea what I'm talking about too.

There's a lot more to being conservative than hating Obama. Principle are principles regardless of whether they benefit you or not.

 

[warthog]

your hate is general and comes with how you read things into statements that differ from your opinions. I'm no mind reader but you sure do like diversions rather than debate. If you find yourself unable to actually say anything, you divert attention in a way that seems like you've said something, like a politician does.

I told you this before so I hope this time it sinks in, I don't HATE anyone or thing, even you. So I must have been wrong, maybe you don't know what a conservative really is after all since again you've played the diversion card.

Do you hate me? I'm disabled. I worked my entire life then one day at work was hurt so bad I am no longer able to work. Does this make me "The entitled"? I would so much rather trade a life of constant pain and inability to walk without a cane for a strong back and a job but this is not an option for me. I don't feel all that entitled really either. I took a very deep cut in take home to be able to stay home all day and reload or drive to the range. This is my only way to even feel like I am doing anything except time serving at church. I do understand who it is you feel this way about though, but I hope that isn't me since I'd rather still be at work.

Welfare is broken but there is more to this than a Free Market. You see through the eyes of an Idealist. So did I in my 20's & early 30's. Then suddenly, I got myself hurt and wound up on the dole. Making general statements encompasses those truly in need. Before anything is said, I had 500K saved and invested as my retirement fund and was still adding to it when I was working. I knew full well as as a tail end Boomer the money would all be gone because I came too late in the Boom. Never mind all those who came after me and I resented my check getting garnished for someone else's comfort to boot. It still isn't a Free Market question to fix this problem.

Your record seems stuck on one thing, Free Markets. Do you know what a world wide Free Market would be like for America today? we aren't even that good at producing & food here at home anymore. We have already eaten up the majority of our resources so we depend on other countries for that too, ESPECIALLY OIL. We used to make the best steel in all the world, now that's Japan's and India's gig. High Tech? Well with our loss of good, native born students who once were the best in math and science, we'll see that moving soon too.

What do we here in the USA do well? Consume. Is that a sustainable stance in a Free Market word? Not even close. In fact all that will do is make us hope we manage to hold on to our world's supremacy in armed forces and that is already slipping away from us. So tell me exactly what it is to be Conservative in your eyes? Then, I will tell you how I see it. I'm also curious why you hide behind Interweb Anonymity. All I se in your profile is your Hornadyini name (which I still think would be catchier had you gone with Hornadini) and your post count, which just shows you've been here a long time.

I have no doubt there are typo's in what I just typed, I tend to do that.
So if you're gonna make fun of them, I am leaving them just for you so you can divert some more.