Is it legal to do a FTF sale to this guy?

[youngda9]

Conflicting opinion and no difinitive law that says it is legal. Thank you abnk in post #2 for posting IN law. I'm not sure how this is covered by some federal laws.

Still unsure about this, right now it's a no-go.

 

[IndyMonkey]

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[Arm America]

I think you have made the right decision on the no go.

 

[youngda9]

"INGO-er busted for arms trafficking" will NOT be on the front page of the paper tomorrow.

 

[IndyMonkey]

"INGO-er busted for arms trafficking" will NOT be on the front page of the paper tomorrow.

The Indiana drivers license is your out there.

Indiana resident....check.

 

[drgnrobo]

I concur on the no-go sale,go with your gut if nothing else makes sense

 

[IndianaGTI]

Best advice. Transfer it through an FFL. You transfer it to them, they transfer it to him if legal. Let them be the responsible parties. After all, they should know the law.

 

[DarkRose]

Whether it appears to be legal are not, go with your gut instinct.
If doing the sale might keep you awake at night wondering if you just broke the law or sold to someone who shouldn't have a gun, don't do it, for your sake.

 

[kludge]

The Indiana drivers license is your out there.

Indiana resident....check.

Not so fast...

Campaign For Liberty — FEDS CONVICT TEXAN FOR SELLING A GUN TO ILLEGAL ALIEN WITH TEXAS DRIVER’S LICENSE

Feds don't profile, but we have to.

 

[IndyMonkey]

Not so fast...

Campaign For Liberty — FEDS CONVICT TEXAN FOR SELLING A GUN TO ILLEGAL ALIEN WITH TEXAS DRIVER’S LICENSE

Feds don't profile, but we have to.

I forgot about that....uh was the guy wanting to buy the handgun a messican?

 

[Scutter01]

Conflicting opinion and no difinitive law that says it is legal.

Laws aren't made to make things legal. They're made to makes things IL-legal. Still, if it were me, I'd have an FFL do the transfer, and then I don't have to lose any sleep over it.

 

[stanicus]

Listen to your gut. It usually wont steer you wrong. Dont make a mistake because f the desire to get your item sold.

 

[Vlad the Impaler]

IANAL, but...
My gut on this would be to not sell.
If your item is desireable, you will find a buyer you're comfortable with in short order.
Why risk it or spend time and energy running to an FFL when a clean sale could be days if not hours away.

 

[Bill of Rights]

I know a certian guy that is not from the US that has Full auto weapons.

Somethings about the United states are bad ass.

Oh oh, I know that guy to!

..........flashbacks about 'get to the choppa'

IndyMonkey, please stay right where you are. A car is being dispatched to your location for an interview.

They're gonna have a bunch of us to interview. Da OOZI rocks and so does it's owner.



Blessings,
Bill

 

[Madmax]

Thats how all the cartels are getting firearms south of the border...They buy up here and get them across the border for illegal use.

 

[octalman]

Find another buyer! Nothing good can come from selling him the weapon.

 

[youngda9]

Here is an update of my discussion with the potential buyer:

Potential Buyer: I understand your concern - until half a year ago I didn't know it was possible for non-citizens to own firearms here in the US, but I found out it is. I'm here on an F-1 student visa, non-immigrant alien. This link provides information on federal firearms laws for non-citizens: http://www.vrolyk.org/guns/alien-laws.html Indiana, as is mentioned on that site, has no additional requirements. As long as I have been in the country for the past 90 consecutive days, and I have a valid hunting license, it's legal for me to buy/own firearms.

I can bring my passport with my visa, my hunting license, and utility bills for the past 3 months if you'd like, which is required by FFLs. I can also show you the receipt of the Ruger SP101 I bought earlier this week from a local FFL.

Please let me know if the FTF transaction is still on.

ME: I'm sorry but I really don't feel comftorable with this. I'm willing to ship it to your FFL and cover the cost of shipping on my end. This way the liability is off me and I can be sure this is all legal and everything, and I can sleep at night knowing the ATF is not going to raid my house

If you could provide me with his FFL form and send payment through Paypal or money order I can ship it.

Let me know.

Potential Buyer: I understand, I'm sorry I didn't mention the issue right away when I showed interest in the gun. I'm not sure if I want to go through FFL forms and pay the FFL transaction fee now - I figure that in that case I might as well wait a few months and save up for a new one. I'm not planning to shoot the .44 yet anyway until I'm comfortable with .357 (which I still haven't tried out yet).

I'm sorry about all the trouble. I hope you don't mind, and that you'll find another buyer soon!
Best wishes!
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His willingness to NOT pay an additional $20 fee to recieve a firearm from an FFL, when I offored to pay shipping, makes me very confident with my decision.

He was going to come from South Bend to Fort Wayne to do the FTF, a 4+ hour round trip drive, costing time and $$, but not willing to pay an FFL fee. This is VERY FISHY.

 

[kludge]

His willingness to NOT pay an additional $20 fee to recieve a firearm from an FFL, when I offored to pay shipping, makes me very confident with my decision.

He was going to come from South Bend to Fort Wayne to do the FTF, a 4+ hour round trip drive, costing time and $$, but not willing to pay an FFL fee. This is VERY FISHY.

+1, $20 and you pay shipping, I'd be all over it.

[tin foil]Could be the new sting.[/tin foil]

 

[karodger]

+1 sounds like you made a solid, informed decision.

 

[BE Mike]

In this case, the alien claims to be an F-1 Student. If so, he is a non-immigrant. There are provisions in the law to allow sales to non-immigrants, as this potential buyer stated. Although, it might be a legal transaction, I wouldn't do it personally. It would also have to be a special case, for me personally, to make a sale of a firearm to a Permanent Resident Alien. There are a lot of counterfeit documents floating around. There is something to be said for my peace of mind.