Iowa Caucuses Thread

[pudly]

I think you have finally split the reality atom. What utter nonsense. Go wash your mouth out with soap and quit sniffing paint.

Jamil- Sorry, I can't rep you again. I'm sure you also wear Alpo's contempt as a badge of honor.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

You've got to think that Elizabeth Warren has some dirt somewhere in her past... because she likely could have destroyed Clinton last night. There has to be a bigger reason why she's not running, seems like a shoe-in.

I'm still expecting Biden to hop in at some point... He would beat both Sanders and Clinton pretty easily, I think.

 

[Lowe0]

I have plenty of liberal friends and respect their point of view and often they have valid arguments that are hard to disagree with. Sometimes even harder to debate against.

My problem is specifically with the blind support that is given to Hillary simply because it is her turn and/or she has a vagina:

• Her acts (and inaction) were treasonous and may have cost people's lives. They don't care.
• Her acts were treasonous and her time as Sec. of State was a failure possibly jeopardizing our country's future peace and well being. How can you love our country and still vote for a traitor?
• What kind of morals do you have to have to support a serial liar and documented traitor?

Not that I am thrilled with Bernie's platform but I can certainly see the support he gets. I may deem it naïve and misdirected but that is why we vote. At least we will have rainbows every morning when we wake up at noon for our free college classes and the unicorns we ride to school will no longer be on the endangered species list.

Bernie is at least genuine and cares. The only thing that evil carpetbagger witch cares about is herself and she will wrap herself in whatever cloak she needs to, use whoever she needs to, and crush whoever she needs to in order to crown herself.

What about people who support Clinton just because they assume that's who they'll get in November? I like Sanders better than Clinton, but it really doesn't matter because by the time Indiana's primary rolls around, it'll all be decided. At that point, it's not about the person, but rather the platform, and while I don't like either party's platform, I can at least hold my nose and survive 4 years of the Democrats.

 

[jamil]

I think you have finally split the reality atom. What utter nonsense. Go wash your mouth out with soap and quit sniffing paint.

I am quite certain the facebook rulers who sanctioned the official list of genders are democrats. Own it dude. Go ahead. Embrace the crazy old **** in your party whose largest voting bloc is the kids who want their gender studies major paid for by people who work for a living. Or, embrace the old **** who tried to hide her corruption from the public by an incompetent attempt to make her email private.

the "old ****" theme seems to be all your party can muster. And the problem isn't even that they're old ****s trying to pass old ideas as new. It's that democrats are split between the choice of an incompetent, but somewhat honest socialist, or a corrupt politician whose main competancy is having the right plumbing for that particular bloc.

one more thing, if you like to escalate incendiary remarks, I'm game. But I do have sympathy for Churchmouse's blood pressure. I'd rather we tone it down.

 

[jamil]

What about people who support Clinton just because they assume that's who they'll get in November? I like Sanders better than Clinton, but it really doesn't matter because by the time Indiana's primary rolls around, it'll all be decided. At that point, it's not about the person, but rather the platform, and while I don't like either party's platform, I can at least hold my nose and survive 4 years of the Democrats.

That we don't vote until it's usually decided anyway is what bothers me most about the primary/caucus system.

I'll leave the other stuff alone. We've already beat that horse to death.

 

[KittySlayer]

What about people who support Clinton just because they assume that's who they'll get in November? I like Sanders better than Clinton, but it really doesn't matter because by the time Indiana's primary rolls around, it'll all be decided. At that point, it's not about the person, but rather the platform, and while I don't like either party's platform, I can at least hold my nose and survive 4 years of the Democrats.

Well I guess that is what really bothers me about either party and their rabid supporters in those early states. Since being in Indiana I don't get to decide who will represent my party my choice is limited by people who I believe vote with their heart/emotions rather than their head. Worse yet, the media spins and spins more than a stripper sucking votes out of those desperate to live out a false fantasy presented by the media.

 

[Alpo]

I am quite certain the facebook rulers who sanctioned the official list of genders are democrats. Own it dude. Go ahead. Embrace the crazy old **** in your party whose largest voting bloc is the kids who want their gender studies major paid for by people who work for a living. Or, embrace the old **** who tried to hide her corruption from the public by an incompetent attempt to make her email private.

the "old ****" theme seems to be all your party can muster. And the problem isn't even that they're old ****s trying to pass old ideas as new. It's that democrats are split between the choice of an incompetent, but somewhat honest socialist, or a corrupt politician whose main competancy is having the right plumbing for that particular bloc.

one more thing, if you like to escalate incendiary remarks, I'm game. But I do have sympathy for Churchmouse's blood pressure. I'd rather we tone it down.

I'm just surprised to see the turn toward hatred from you. Not all democrats are transgenderist and not all republicans are fascists. But, if that is the level you seek, I've got an 'ignore' button.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Rubio might be candidate of "establishment" voters, but he's not establishment candidate

Carson Bashes Cruz for Dirty Tricks: 'Never a More Tainted Victory' | Fox News Insider

 

[IndyDave1776]

Congrats to Jeb Bush on the big victory in Iowa. Winning Iowa is a first step for Jeb.

But to be fair, he has all that money and, as I have learned from INGO, 1) money is evil, 2) those with money always win.

Kirk, you are being disingenuous. You are lifting the discussion of the situation in Indianapolis, where, according to you, the incumbents who are the problem are in safe seats, the supermajority is unbreakable, and efforts to get rid of them are futile. This immediately creates and entirely different issue than Jeb throwing money at a campaign.

Beyond this, the safe-seat incumbents make no real effort to hide the fact that they serve their owners, not their constituents. Further, as Tom Dermody demonstrated, when you are evaluating a candidate or incumbent, you can wipe your ass on an NRA A rating. It is pretty clearly meaningless beyond establishing that the individual in question falls to the right of Chuck Schumer, even if rubbing on Schumer's arm.

Under the circumstances, there would seem to be little that can be done, yet you advocate donating money to a PAC that hasn't even established any goals and offers no discernible sense of identity other than being attached to an organization with very strong Fudd roots because reasons. I would like to believe that there is something workable here, but under the circumstances, it is much like believing that Jeb is going to miraculously turn into Thomas Jefferson 2.0.

From Dylan Byers at CNN:



I'd say Rubio is every bit as Conservative as Cruz, just not a jerk about it. Really don't get all the Rubio hate lately. Both he and Cruz are very Conservative-minded, and both would be excellent options.

Except for the NSA spying and the amnesty stuff.

He's more conservative than, say, Bernie Sanders or Trump or Hillary. And with conservative, you also get an authoritarian, the only better of which is the fatass pussbag himself!

And why lately? Let's just say the past two debates revealed the little boy who wanted to be king.

Don't forget the self-destructive trade agreements he supports. Yes, other than going down the 'other team' checklist, he is a great conservative.

 

[ArmedProgrammer]

...I can at least hold my nose and survive 4 years of the Democrats.

And THAT , sir, is exactly where you and I part company...

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Don't forget the self-destructive trade agreements he supports. Yes, other than going down the 'other team' checklist, he is a great conservative.

Haven't found a candidate yet that has 100% of the qualities and policy choices I like.

I'd challenge supporters of some other candidates to look at their choice and really see how many of their policies (truthfully, weighing the candidate's lifetime [or even the past 10 years]) against their own and decide if it's the right candidate for them.

 

[jamil]

I'm just surprised to see the turn toward hatred from you. Not all democrats are transgenderist and not all republicans are fascists. But, if that is the level you seek, I've got an 'ignore' button.

How I responded to your post was in like kind. The post you responded to was my usual sarcasm. I think you may have taken that more personally than it was intended.

 

[HoughMade]

Anyone post this yet? Supposedly sent before the caucuses....and not true.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Anyone post this yet? Supposedly sent before the caucuses....and not true.

Yep. Carson's not happy about it.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...5022-iowa-caucuses-thread-19.html#post6343258

Cruz also did some pretty shifty vote-shaming mailers:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/30/politics/ted-cruz-mailer-iowa-caucuses-voter-violation/index.html

 

[Alpo]

How I responded to your post was in like kind. The post you responded to was my usual sarcasm. I think you may have taken that more personally than it was intended.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Congrats to Jeb Bush on the big victory in Iowa. Winning Iowa is a first step for Jeb.

But to be fair, he has all that money and, as I have learned from INGO, 1) money is evil, 2) those with money always win.

From Dylan Byers at CNN:



I'd say Rubio is every bit as Conservative as Cruz, just not a jerk about it. Really don't get all the Rubio hate lately. Both he and Cruz are very Conservative-minded, and both would be excellent options.

Except for the NSA spying and the amnesty stuff.

Haven't found a candidate yet that has 100% of the qualities and policy choices I like.

I'd challenge supporters of some other candidates to look at their choice and really see how many of their policies (truthfully, weighing the candidate's lifetime [or even the past 10 years]) against their own and decide if it's the right candidate for them.

The other candidate to which you refer has one unique attribute. The establishment candidates from both parties are superintending a sinking ship and have no intention of changing that. This individual, even if a terrible president, cannot win without breaking the establishment stranglehold and proving to the voters who vote for 'electable' candidates that it can be done. I see this as opening the door for a solution other than waiting for the ship to finish sinking that does not require invoking the Second Amendment. Needless to say, I wold like to see the republic put back on the rails without having to resort to anything radical even if that means having to deal with a 'starter president' who may not be what I would hope for in a number of regards.

 

[miguel]

¿Dónde está Jeb?

 

[ArcadiaGP]

¿Dónde está Jeb?

He's sticking around to NH, for some unknown reason.

... I see this as opening the door for a solution other than waiting for the ship to finish sinking that does not require invoking the Second Amendment.

I think this is the thing. I don't know where this view comes from... but I see it entirely differently. Where did this viewpoint come from? Who planted that seed? Because it seems like a very popular, and suicidal, view of the Trump situation.

The next couple elections seem way too important to throw away on such a gambit of "fixing" the party... based on some really odd prediction that it would even do that.

I like Rubio because he's a younger guy, he's not some hardcore establishment member like Bush, he is Constitutional in some of the more important ways. I just can't see him doing a lot of damage as President.

The country is divisive enough as it is. I think Cruz is ready to make some hardcore decisions and changes in Government... which will probably rub a lot of people the wrong way... but he definitely has good intentions. Also very Constitutional.

Trump, however, is a Democrat. Claiming otherwise is a lie. I don't see his presence causing a huge rift or revolution within the GOP. I just don't get that. A Trump victory would damage public opinion of our side (in this 2-party system) and ensure years upon years of democrat victories. The media is rooting for him... doesn't that cause people to wonder why? Yes, he would damage the party.... but what makes people think some new, better version would just rise from the ashes and be accepted by all?

Side observation -
This entire election cycle blows.... the rage from our own side (not talking about INGO, mostly social media like Twitter and those that consider themselves 'Conservative' there) has people at each other's throats. Be nice if we could all channel that anger at the other party and not each other.

Edit: The real story here? Gilmore lost to write-ins.

 

[T.Lex]

Trump, however, is a Democrat. Claiming otherwise is a lie. I don't see his presence causing a huge rift or revolution within the GOP. I just don't get that.

FWIW, here's my perspective on this. Trump has seduced people who otherwise think of themselves as "conservative" into supporting him. We've seen this even here on INGO. If he wins the nomination, Republicans-who-see-him-for-what-he-is will leave. If he doesn't, those who support him will leave. Partly because I don't see him going quietly into the night. I don't really see any middle ground.

But, I'm willing to admit I don't have a crystal ball about this.

 

[pudly]

I think you have finally split the reality atom. What utter nonsense. Go wash your mouth out with soap and quit sniffing paint.

I'm just surprised to see the turn toward hatred from you. Not all democrats are transgenderist and not all republicans are fascists. But, if that is the level you seek, I've got an 'ignore' button.

Just putting things in perspective.