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  • Scutter01

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    Raffle a bottle of pop....... with a free lower.

    It's not the firearm so much as the raffle, IIRC. There was a bunch of tax paperwork and permit applications we would have had to process. I'm sure it's not as bad as the statutes make it seem.
     

    stephen87

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    What if the person who manufactured them were to sell them via private sales? Would something like that be legal? I'm really interested in an INGO AR.

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    Scutter01

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    What if the person who manufactured them were to sell them via private sales? Would something like that be legal? I'm really interested in an INGO AR.

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    I'm not a trademark lawyer, but counterfeit products are counterfeit. I don't believe they're legal to sell, privately or otherwise. Will you get away with it? Probably. Kind of a douche move to engage in the trafficking of counterfeit INGO lowers on INGO, though, if you ask me.
     

    jblomenberg16

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    It's not the firearm so much as the raffle, IIRC. There was a bunch of tax paperwork and permit applications we would have had to process. I'm sure it's not as bad as the statutes make it seem.

    Yes and no on the statutes. I am not a lawyer, so what I'm referencing is what I've learned from reading up on Indiana statutes, and from a corporate directive that was issued a number of years back when I was the "Community Involvement Leader" at my local plant. One of the popular fundraising events that people always wanted to do was a raffle.

    To make a VERY long story much shorter, it is illegal for a FOR Profit entity to conduct a raffle, or other game of chance, that requires the participants to purchase the chance at the raffle. (This is why many contests run by local businesses have the "no purchase necessary" clause in the fine print). The only way a FOR PROFIT entity can legally sell raffle tickets from what I've read up on, is to get a license from the State Gaming Commission, similar to what Casinos and other places must do to operate as they do. This even applies to certain bars and clubs that run poker tournaments, if said bar or club keeps a portion of the profits. The rules are fuzzier when those profits are donated. In the end it usually more of a hassle and cost to get said license than just to drop the idea.

    Not for profits, such as 501c3's can do them depending on how they are set up and how the funds are disbursed. What is more common now, and legal, are silent auctions, where items are donated, and people can chose to bid on items by writing in their bids.
     

    Scutter01

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    To make a VERY long story much shorter

    Yeah, that sounds about like what we were looking at. I just remember that it was decided that there was no way we could really do it legally so Fenway ultimately opted for a simple giveaway instead.
     

    stephen87

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    I'm not a trademark lawyer, but counterfeit products are counterfeit. I don't believe they're legal to sell, privately or otherwise. Will you get away with it? Probably. Kind of a douche move to engage in the trafficking of counterfeit INGO lowers on INGO, though, if you ask me.

    Not he counterfeit ones, but if Fenway were to get someone to make them. Instead of a raffle if he privately sold them.
     

    dubsac

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    Yes and no on the statutes. I am not a lawyer, so what I'm referencing is what I've learned from reading up on Indiana statutes, and from a corporate directive that was issued a number of years back when I was the "Community Involvement Leader" at my local plant. One of the popular fundraising events that people always wanted to do was a raffle.

    To make a VERY long story much shorter, it is illegal for a FOR Profit entity to conduct a raffle, or other game of chance, that requires the participants to purchase the chance at the raffle. (This is why many contests run by local businesses have the "no purchase necessary" clause in the fine print). The only way a FOR PROFIT entity can legally sell raffle tickets from what I've read up on, is to get a license from the State Gaming Commission, similar to what Casinos and other places must do to operate as they do. This even applies to certain bars and clubs that run poker tournaments, if said bar or club keeps a portion of the profits. The rules are fuzzier when those profits are donated. In the end it usually more of a hassle and cost to get said license than just to drop the idea.

    Not for profits, such as 501c3's can do them depending on how they are set up and how the funds are disbursed. What is more common now, and legal, are silent auctions, where items are donated, and people can chose to bid on items by writing in their bids.

    This is correct. And the reason why some of the friends of the NRA and turkey foundation banquets were canceled due to not having the proper permits/license
     
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