Indiana Constitutional Carry 2017

[Jacke]

HB 1159 is a sloppy bill…Lucus is lazy. Now are chance is WIPEd out!! Too many people so drunk on wanting constitutional carry that you could not see how sloppy the bill is. You drunk people have caused us sensible people to miss our possibly one good shot to have constitutional carry. If Trump does not do well, the democrats are going to pick up a lot of seats in 2018. We don’t have time to dick around.

 

[KellyinAvon]

HB 1159 is a sloppy bill…Lucus is lazy. Now are chance is WIPEd out!! Too many people so drunk on wanting constitutional carry that you could not see how sloppy the bill is. You drunk people have caused us sensible people to miss our possibly one good shot to have constitutional carry. If Trump does not do well, the democrats are going to pick up a lot of seats in 2018. We don’t have time to dick around.

Care to show specific examples of laziness in the 27 pages of HB 1159 or do you prefer to talk **** without backing it up?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

HB 1159 is a sloppy bill…Lucus is lazy. Now are chance is WIPEd out!! Too many people so drunk on wanting constitutional carry that you could not see how sloppy the bill is. You drunk people have caused us sensible people to miss our possibly one good shot to have constitutional carry. If Trump does not do well, the democrats are going to pick up a lot of seats in 2018. We don’t have time to dick around.

Here are the bills Jim Lucas has written/sponsored/authored/etc. in the few years he's been in office. Explain your lazy assertion, please.

(From his Facebook page)
Authored in 2017
HB 1159 Regulation of firearms.
HB 1162 Armed officers on school property.
HB 1258 Firearms on state university campuses.
HB 1588 Firearms on public property.

Co-authored in 2017
HB 1051 Firearms and federalism.
HB 1095 Plastic-coated ammunition.
HB 1446 Firearm ownership and medical records.
HB 1460 Sales tax exemption for firearms and ammunition.

Sponsored in 2017
SB 344 Possession of a firearm by an illegal alien.

Authored in 2016
HB 1055 Possession of firearms on state property.
HB 1056 Handgun license repeal and reciprocity licenses.
HB 1217 Income tax credit for firearms instruction.

Co-authored in 2016
HB 1085 Firearms and certification.
HB 1231 Deer hunting.
HB 1293 Firearms and federalism.
HB 1297 Firearm ownership and medical records

Co-sponsored in 2016
SB 259 Carrying of handguns by members and employees of the general assembly.

Authored in 2015
HB 1143 Possession of firearms on state property.
HB 1144 Handgun license repeal.
HB 1244 Firearms on business premises.
HB 1430 Criminal enhancements for using firearms in crimes.

Co-authored in 2015
HB 1494 Firearm ownership and medical records.

Sponsored in 2015
SB 433 Shotguns.

Co-sponsored in 2015
SB 98 Lawsuits against gun manufacturers.

Authored in 2014
HB 1017 Castle doctrine and vicarious liability.
HB 1018 Possession of firearms on state property.
HB 1048 Possession of firearms.

Co-sponsored in 2014
SB 169 Firearms.
SB 229 Firearm matters.

Authored in 2013
HB 1473 Possession of firearms on school property.

Co-authored in 2013
HB 1586 Lifetime unlimited handgun license fees.

Co-sponsored in 2013
SB 1 School resource officers and school safety.

 

[2A_Tom]

This is INGO we don't ban folks because their opinions differ from ours. Please be polite in your presentation of said opinion.

Folk "are" banned for talkin' ****.

 

[MarkC]

HB 1159 is a sloppy bill…Lucus is lazy. Now are chance is WIPEd out!! Too many people so drunk on wanting constitutional carry that you could not see how sloppy the bill is. You drunk people have caused us sensible people to miss our possibly one good shot to have constitutional carry. If Trump does not do well, the democrats are going to pick up a lot of seats in 2018. We don’t have time to dick around.

I think Rep. Lucas has a much better understanding of the legislative process than you do; he was able to advance the initiative far further than I thought possible this year. HB 1159 did not advance in its introduced form because it was "sloppy;" this is an issue where there is significant disagreement about the underlying policy.

And regardless of whether you agree with Rep. Lucas' policy goals or his method of working the legislative process, he is by no means "lazy."

This "all or nothing" method espoused by some is NOT the way to make anything become law, and divisions and name-calling just empowers and emboldens those who are actively working against gun rights.

 

[hoosierdoc]

My guess is Nisly coordinated with NAGR and this was a publicity stunt to fundraise and try to block the bill. When constitutional carry happens many national groups will lose their relevance, and $$$

 

[Kirk Freeman]

HB 1159 is a sloppy bill

How so?

Show your work.

Lucus is lazy.

Lazy? How so? Does he use improper grammar or something? Perhaps Lucas is so lazy that he misspells proper names? Man, that's lazy.

Now are chance is WIPEd out!!

Are chance is wiped out? Again, explain how.

Too many people so drunk on wanting constitutional carry that you could not see how sloppy the bill is

As you are the only sober one here, can you explain how the bill was sloppy?

If Trump does not do well, the democrats are going to pick up a lot of seats in 2018. We don’t have time to dick around.

Trump? Senate in 2018? How will the elections of the United States Senate have any impact on the Indiana General Assembly session of 2017?

 

[hoosierdoc]

Anyone who thinks Lucas is lazy is not following him on FB

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Anyone who thinks Lucas is lazy is not following him on FB

We can talk about Lazy Lucus later. I just want to know how the bill is sloppy.

I always look forward to analysis of proposed legislation in Indiana from Dudley's home in Colorado.

 

[hoosierdoc]

We can talk about Lazy Lucus later. I just want to know how the bill is sloppy.

I always look forward to analysis of proposed legislation in Indiana from Dudley's home in Colorado.

I saw your comments but missed who they were directed at. Who is Dudley?

 

[Mgderf]

You guys are just feeding the trolls.
At least he's arguing and not just one-line running.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I saw your comments but missed who they were directed at. Who is Dudley?

Dudley is NAGR.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dudley_Brown

 

[hoosierdoc]

Dudley is NAGR.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dudley_Brown

thanks. interesting final line on Wikipedia

Brown has been criticized for his fundraising practices. Former Republican Colorado Governor Bill Owens said Brown "makes his money when there’s turmoil, real or perceived, because that’s what gets his members to write him checks." Ammoland wrote that Brown's "rhetoric has done more to marginalize Second Amendment activism than all of the slanders from gun prohibition lobbying groups combined."[SUP][30][/SUP]

 

[hoosierdoc]

Copied from Jim's FB. An article from a few years ago but relevant today

Dudley Brown & NAGR's Despicable Deception

 

[Kirk Freeman]

thanks. interesting final line on Wikipedia

NAGR drama is akin to the incessant Libertarian civil wars where they attack each other to earn libertarian starwood points.

Dudley uses the libertarian "I am the only one pure enough" crap to fundraise upon, not to advance the ball.

 

[Viper1973]

I get so tired of the NAGR crap... Everything with them is some great conspiracy (usually for fund raising purposes)!

The NRA, Gun Owners of America and the Second Amendment Foundation seem to be the only 'legitimate' folks on our side.

Oftentimes, I've seen NAGR get hell-bent on tanking a piece of legislation, a nominee, etc. because of some perceived threat (again for fund raising purposes) that's not actually based in reality or even facts.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I guess I am not going to find out why Lucus's bill is "sloppy". I was really interested in hearing about that.

 

[hoosierdoc]

How This ?Gun Rights Group? Is Profoundly Damaging Your Second Amendment Rights ? TheBlaze

 

[jamil]

NAGR drama is akin to the incessant Libertarian civil wars where they attack each other to earn libertarian starwood points.

Dudley uses the "I am the only one pure enough" crap to fundraise upon, not to advance the ball.

Except that with Libertarians, the civil wars are over who is actually purer and most Rand-like. With Dudley, it sounds more like he wants to create turmoil, as you say, he can fundraise upon.

 

[hoosierdoc]

I guess I am not going to find out why Lucus's bill is "sloppy". I was really interested in hearing about that.

hockey has only posted five times but every single time on this topic in this forum. You still have a chance I think