Incest rears its ugly head

[HoughMade]

So unless the constitution stated it, that right didn't exist?

Didn't exist? You can have whatever philosophy you want. I deal in reality. The Constitution did not protect the rights of black people until it was changed to do so through the legislative system- amending the Constitution. The fact it was immoral does not change the legalities of what the Constitution applied to. You seem to be advocating that new rights should be protected by the Constitution based upon the whim of judges. That is way too much power to put in a group of unelected, tenure for life academics.

Rather, if we believe that things which were not previously recognized as protected by the Constitution should now be protected, the call should be the people's through the Amendment process. Why is everyone so afraid of the Constitution?

 

[MisterChester]

There are two issues here.

Gay marriage doesn't harm anyone, nor is there any reason to oppose it.

Incestuous marriage MIGHT harm someone, to wit: the unborn who might result.

What I do NOT know about the genetic ramifications here would fill volumes. Is there a way around this issue? I dunno.

For ME anyway, the jury is still out on this. I need more information.

An incestuous marriage doesn't necessarily harm the consenting adults, but any offspring could potentially be harmed. So what happens if it's discovered the fetus is deformed? The government shouldn't say you have to abort it nor keep it. I think I'll take the same small government approach to abortion here, let the adults decide for themselves.

 

[Dead Duck]

"Honor your father and your mother"

It's Honor - NOT Boner!







Morally - Legally - Doesn't really matter.
It's still evil, illegitimate, insane, dangerous, wicked, irrational, etc...

Not to mention(which I will) a complete Abomination against humanity. Just because it may be acceptable behavior to some morons, doesn't make it right.



Dude needs to be castrated slowly and have a lobotomy. At the least a public stoning.
The aliens are laughing at us again.

 

[hornadylnl]

Didn't exist? You can have whatever philosophy you want. I deal in reality. The Constitution did not protect the rights of black people until it was changed to do so through the legislative system- amending the Constitution. The fact it was immoral does not change the legalities of what the Constitution applied to. You seem to be advocating that new rights should be protected by the Constitution based upon the whim of judges. That is way too much power to put in a group of unelected, tenure for life academics.

Rather, if we believe that things which were not previously recognized as protected by the Constitution should now be protected, the call should be the people's through the Amendment process. Why is everyone so afraid of the Constitution?

So blacks should have been forced to wait on the benevolence of the majority of the white population to see fit to give them freedom, the right to vote, etc? Because everyone was so willing to amend the constitution so that all men may be free. Easy to advocate when you weren't the one living under that tyranny.

 

[hornadylnl]

"Honor your father and your mother"

It's Honor - NOT Boner!







Morally - Legally - Doesn't really matter.
It's still evil, illegitimate, insane, dangerous, wicked, irrational, etc...

Not to mention(which I will) a complete Abomination against humanity. Just because it may be acceptable behavior to some morons, doesn't make it right.



Dude needs to be castrated slowly and have a lobotomy. At the least a public stoning.
The aliens are laughing at us again.

ISIS called. They want their juror back.

 

[Dead Duck]

ISIS called. They want their juror back.

I rest my case!

 

[oldpink]

[video=youtube;kQFKtI6gn9Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y[/video]

 

[rw496]

ISIS called. They want their juror back.

Lol....goood stuff.

 

[HoughMade]

So blacks should have been forced to wait on the benevolence of the majority of the white population to see fit to give them freedom, the right to vote, etc? Because everyone was so willing to amend the constitution so that all men may be free. Easy to advocate when you weren't the one living under that tyranny.

Many a dictator have come to power arguing that democratic principles are too inconvenient.

 

[hornadylnl]

Many a dictators have come to power arguing that democratic principles are too inconvenient.

And what's the difference when the majority conveniently use the democratic process to keep others in chains? As long as the majority believes one thing, the constitution will never be amended as the majority will never vote for the politicians who would change it. And if you're the minority being trod upon? Sucks to be you.

 

[rw496]

The Bill of Rights is a shield against the tyranny of the majority

 

[printcraft]

And what's the difference when the majority conveniently use the democratic process to keep others in chains? As long as the majority believes one thing, the constitution will never be amended as the majority will never vote for the politicians who would change it. And if you're the minority being trod upon? Sucks to be you.

Is there a better country in this regard out there than the United States?

 

[hornadylnl]

Is there a better country in this regard out there than the United States?

As long as we're at least a smidgeon better than the next guy.

 

[rambone]

If you want to make a constitutional argument, you have to present the clause of the constitution that grants the government the power to regulate/prohibit consensual interpersonal relationships.

If there is no power granted in the constitution, then the law is unconstitutional.

 

[printcraft]

As long as we're at least a smidgeon better than the next guy.

Well, there you have it.
Nobody said it was perfect, but it's a damn far cry better here than anywhere else.
And you wonder why people fight to keep this country from becoming like the rest of the planet.

 

[hornadylnl]

Well, there you have it.
Nobody said it was perfect, but it's a damn far cry better here than anywhere else.
And you wonder why people fight to keep this country from becoming like the rest of the planet.

Is that your standard for parenting? As long as your kid is better than the other little heathens, it's all good.

So long as most of our people are free, the minority being trampled by the majority can suck it up.

 

[Woobie]

An incestuous marriage doesn't necessarily harm the consenting adults, but any offspring could potentially be harmed. So what happens if it's discovered the fetus is deformed? The government shouldn't say you have to abort it nor keep it. I think I'll take the same small government approach to abortion here, let the adults decide for themselves.

So what you're saying is, government should be so small as to not have legal authority to prevent or punish someone who commits murder? Should this only apply when the victim is unborn, or can we extend this "liberty" to kill to anyone, no matter the class of victim they choose? I'm all for small government, but when an adult conspires to murder an infant, there is no protection offered said infant other than the law. As 2A supporters, we all hold dear the right to defend ourselves. Is someone without the capability of self defense to be left with no defense at all? Are families with severely handicapped relatives being disenfranchised of their rights to kill a burdensome family member simply because that person is no longer in the womb?

 

[printcraft]

Is that your standard for parenting? As long as your kid is better than the other little heathens, it's all good.

So long as most of our people are free, the minority being trampled by the majority can suck it up.

So you don't think we should attempt to spread even a semblance freedom around the world....
but here at home it's my responsibility to raise my neighbors kids?
Here, they have the freedom to be whatever they want to be.... self determination and all of that..... not so much anywhere else.
If they choose to be heathens it's not from a failure on my part. If MY kids choose to be heathens then I have failed as a parent.
When that happens you can feel free to criticize me to your hearts content.

 

[hornadylnl]

So you don't think we should attempt to spread even a semblance freedom around the world....
but here at home it's my responsibility to raise my neighbors kids?

No to both.

 

[rw496]

If you want to make a constitutional argument, you have to present the clause of the constitution that grants the government the power to regulate/prohibit consensual interpersonal relationships.

If there is no power granted in the constitution, then the law is unconstitutional.

It went like this, and I'm paraphrasing:
US Constitution: We are going to leave these issues to the States.
Indiana: Cool, well gay marriage is banned then via state law, and almost AMENDMENT to the State Constitution
US Constitution: No, can't do that it's fundamental to the natural rights of man even though the US Constitution gives the States the authority to do this. We now retract that power.

So, finally Rambone is arguing in favor of a strong Federal Government.