IN police shatter car window, extract passenger after alleged seatbelt violation

[Henry]

I can speak only for myself.

While I do not "hate" cops, I do find thugs despicable...regardless of their costume, job, etc. etc.

 

[evsnova74]

He has a website?

 

[2A_Tom]

HM,

Having had the pleasure of doing my duty, sitting on 5 (count em 5) criminal juries. I have noticed that every time a lawyer (srate or defense) tried to bring up a witness' or defendant's past we were instructed to disregard that portion of testimony.

As for the stop if they had unreasonable suspicion of a drug crime they should have used another pretext beside a seat belt violation since the law specifically precludes escalation to an investigation.

 

[HoughMade]

Trials and investigation are two very different things.

What pretext? They pulled them over for a seatbelt violation. What happens from there, who knows? Maybe nothing, maybe something.

Maybe when the driver is fishing for her license, the driver sees baggies of drugs in her purse....naw, that would never happen. Wait...that is what happened the first time. She was pulled over for not having a license plate light, fishing for her license in the purse, the officer saw baggies of what looked like drugs, the dog was called out and alerted, and ultimately, over a pound of cocaine was found.

You don't have to start off looking something to find it; I would wager that a lot of felony arrests start out as traffic violations where someone gets stupid.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Having had the pleasure of doing my duty, sitting on 5 (count em 5) criminal juries. I have noticed that every time a lawyer (srate or defense) tried to bring up a witness' or defendant's past we were instructed to disregard that portion of testimony.

Correct, unless it fall into 412 or 609 exceptions. Five times? Which county? Marion or Lake?

For more on 412 and 609: Indiana Rules of Evidence

 

[Kirk Freeman]

You don't have to start off looking something to find it; I would wager that a lot of felony arrests start out as traffic violations where someone gets stupid.

You have no idea.

INGO: "Really, Kirk, just how stupid does it get?"

Upon telling the police that you have 17 grams of crack cocaine in your underwear because, you know, the cops asked if you had any drugs in the car:

"These aren't my underwear. They are my brother's."

 

[CathyInBlue]

For what? If they saw her without a seatbelt (which she admitted) they can stop her.

For the seatbelt solely? Even when the seatbelt law states categoricly that they can't?

 

[VUPDblue]

For the seatbelt solely? Even when the seatbelt law states categoricly that they can't?

cops can stop you based solely on no seatbelt.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

For the seatbelt solely? Even when the seatbelt law states categoricly that they can't?

Is someone telling you this?

 

[churchmouse]

cops can stop you based solely on no seatbelt.

Yes they can. Ask me how I know.

 

[HoughMade]

Read a recent version of Indiana Code sec. 9-19-10-3.1(a) then get back to me.

 

[j706]

The one playing with the halligan.

Reasonable reason for carrying a halligan? Serve warrants.

I carry one in my trunk. Very useful tool.

 

[j706]

This is probably the most factual statement that I've seen on his website to date.

I will 3rd that!!

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Read a recent version of Indiana Code sec. 9-19-10-3.1(a) then get back to me.

Pffff, statist, always trying to keep the free man down. I reject your reality and substitute the fictional works of L. Neil Smith as my own!

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Yes they can. Ask me how I know.

Over under on the phrase "Stop resisting!" being used when churchmouse tells us how he knows====> 4

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Over under on the phrase "Stop resisting!" being used when churchmouse tells us how he knows====> 4

And zaps from a taser...

 

[churchmouse]

Over under on the phrase "Stop resisting!" being used when churchmouse tells us how he knows====> 4

Nah....just saying. I was topped because my son was not wearing his belt. LEO came to his window and gave him a scenario that had him belted up after that. No windows were broken and no one was tased.

 

[2A_Tom]

Kirk,
Lake. Just last month I was seated as the second alternate, but, I asked to approach the bench and gave the judge three reasons I didn't believe I shouldn't serve and both attorneys released me. The can't call me for two years.

HM,
What I meant was that their past history is nothing but prejudicial to this discussion and has no bearing on the present incident.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Ya know, they are called "leading questions" for a reason, cm.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Lake. Just last month I was seated as the second alternate, but, I asked to approach the bench and gave the judge three reasons I didn't believe I shouldn't serve and both attorneys released me. The can't call me for two years.

Man, 6 criminal trials. They do a bunch of trials up there. You earned your break.