In a first, EPA cuts ethanol standard

[jamil]

We have established that, you are repeating your self, ethanol bad... YES, current farm subsidies bad... YES. Do you currently buy food that is subsidized?

I think we're going in circles. Please start getting to the part where you defend your desire to take my resources to fund your livelihood. So far all you've done is establish an already known fact that you are taking my resources to fund your livelihood.

 

[CarmelHP]

You have no idea how many things are price supported by the government do you? Food is the simple one, are you wearing cotton? Are you in a wood structure? Is the electricity in your home being supplied by wind or coal? How do you make the distinction of what is subsidized and not? Where did you get that popcorn you are eating?

Did your mother let you get away with the "it's OK, everyone's doing it" excuse? No? We won't either.

 

[Bunnykid68]

Ethanol sucks, much more efficient to use corn for food.

 

[KJQ6945]

Ethanol sucks, much more efficient to use corn for food.

Why do you hate alcohol so much? What did it ever do to you?

 

[Bunnykid68]

Why do you hate alcohol so much? What did it ever do to you?

OK, make alcohol out of it then, not ethanol

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

OK, make alcohol out of it then, not ethanol

I used to know some folks that could get you some "corn from a jar".

 

[CarmelHP]

OK, make alcohol out of it then, not ethanol

Pure ethanol (CH3-CH2-OH) is drinking alcohol.

 

[seedubs1]

All I know is the **** ruins my 2 strokes. But some sta-bil solves that.

id pay extra to purchase pure gasoline.

 

[zippy23]

ethanol has less power and worse mpg. its gov't mandate, so its bad. simple as that

 

[wagyu52]

I think we're going in circles. Please start getting to the part where you defend your desire to take my resources to fund your livelihood. So far all you've done is establish an already known fact that you are taking my resources to fund your livelihood.

I do not take your resources (what ever that means) for my livelihood. You do not know what I do for a living. I'm a part time farmer. Farming is not my livelihood.
I do not recive a payment. %75 Of farmers recive subsidy payments,most small farmers do not, we do not earn enough farm income. That's the problem, for decades the government has said that the farm bill is for the "little guy" all it has done is make big farmers bigger.

 

[jamil]

I do not take your resources (what ever that means) for my livelihood. You do not know what I do for a living. I'm a part time farmer. Farming is not my livelihood.
I do not recive a payment. %75 Of farmers recive subsidy payments,most small farmers do not, we do not earn enough farm income. That's the problem, for decades the government has said that the farm bill is for the "little guy" all it has done is make big farmers bigger.

I'm talking about wealth redistribution. You don't need to personally receive subsidies to participate in taking my money. If you profit from the higher prices that are the result of a market that would not exist without the taxpayer, you are profiting from the confiscation of people's resources.

I don't blame you. But fabricating 30% of the market demand for corn has to have an effect on the market, even though it is speculative. If a market can't survive on its own, why must my tax dollars help prop it up?

 

[Caleb]

Lets get rid of it all together. Worse mileage. Higher prices on food. More damage done to vehicles. It's not needed

Agreed....then I can afford to drive my jeep around more often.

 

[ZombieApocolypse]

There are other options for food than paying someone else for it. Are you saying that you don't know how to live without Uncle Sugga?

And if every single person in the United States went out and got food with these other methods, how long would that supply last?


Are you saying you dont purchase anything from the grocery store?

 

[jamil]

Some context.

Are you saying if food prices stabalized at a higher cost than you're willing to pay, you would simply quit eating?

There are other options for food than paying someone else for it. Are you saying that you don't know how to live without Uncle Sugga?

I find it ironic that posters on a gun forum, especially those who have screen names such as "ZombieApocolypse", would think that the grocery store is the only source of food! I guess INGO should just shut down the prepping forum.

And if every single person in the United States went out and got food with these other methods, how long would that supply last?


Are you saying you dont purchase anything from the grocery store?

Let's stay on track here, and try not to "what if" the conversation into absurdity. Because, you're being absurd in the context of a free market. And, of course we shop at the grocery store. When one store charges more than I want to pay for something, I shop elsewhere. If I can't find it for what I'm willing to pay, I don't buy that thing. I don't have much choice about ethanol.

The conversation is about wanting a free market. In a free market, how long do you think unaffordable prices "to every single person in the United States" could remain stable? And if you're talking about a zombie apocalypse scenario, WTF do we have a prepping forum?

 

[ZombieApocolypse]

I find it ironic that posters on a gun forum, especially those who have screen names such as "ZombieApocolypse", would think that the grocery store is the only source of food! I guess INGO should just shut down the prepping forum


Some context.
Let's stay on track here, and try not to "what if" the conversation into absurdity. Because, you're being absurd in the context of a free market. And, of course we shop at the grocery store. When one store charges more than I want to pay for something, I shop elsewhere. If I can't find it for what I'm willing to pay, I don't buy that thing. I don't have much choice about ethanol.

The conversation is about wanting a free market. In a free market, how long do you think unaffordable prices "to every single person in the United States" could remain stable? And if you're talking about a zombie apocalypse scenario, WTF do we have a prepping forum?

I find it ironic that assume so much


You tell me not to "what if" the conversation into absurdity then bring up a ZA situation. Well done sir.

 

[jamil]

I find it ironic that assume so much


You tell me not to "what if" the conversation into absurdity then bring up a ZA situation. Well done sir.

No, not well done at all. Just bringing your argument to its logical conclusion. Anyone could have done that really.