Normally I'd spell it all out with all of the various ICs and such and explain it but meh, do some research if you want to know why it's not legal to carry at Wishard and you don't wish to take my word for it!Yes, we are a picky lot.
Normally I'd spell it all out with all of the various ICs and such and explain it but meh, do some research if you want to know why it's not legal to carry at Wishard and you don't wish to take my word for it!Yes, we are a picky lot.
Yeah - I should have just taken the time to be more clear.I'm sure they do have a local rule and can enforce it, my only issue was with citing the exception as that rule.
The actual gun restriction there won't likely be found in the IC.
To simplify - they are granted an exemption from the law which does allow them to legally exclude carry. I would assume, but you can call and verify if you wish, that their policy that you cannot carry is not specific to any particular part of the facility and covers their entire facility.Is the whole hospital or just a part of it against the law to actually carry in? What are the metal detector specifics?
I wouldn't want to be the test case but I would assume you would be arrested just as if you tried to bring a firearm into a jail.Is this law actually enforced? Are carriers arrested or asked to leave?
Call Wishard and talk to security and ask them - they will be able to set you straight and I'm almost certain it will be, 'You cannot legally carry a gun in this Hospital and you will be arrested if you attempt to do so.'Do we have any actual real info on this from officers, staff, patrons?
like you said, it not about the sign! And it IS inaccurate to say.They meet the guidelines of a location that is exempted from the law that prevents places from prohibiting you from carrying. I.e. the sign on their door that says no firearms permitted does, in this case, carry the weight of law indirectly.
Bunny is right that it's not the sign that makes it illegal for you to carry but the law itself - but saying that the sign, in this case, carries the weight of law is also not inaccurate because they can, and will, arrest you and put you in jail for carrying there [i.e. if you ignore this particular sign].
So ignore the sign - go to jail. Doesn't matter if you are yelling, 'The sign doesn't carry the weight of law!' while they're putting the cuffs on you.like you said, it not about the sign! And it IS inaccurate to say.
It doesn't have to - the sign doesn't have to exist at all for it to be illegal for you to carry there.I'm sure in these specific cases, the signs are more than a representation of a gun with a red circle and a line through it. I'm assuming the sign spells out the law.
Go ahead and be the test case.If you by chance, didn't see or read the sign, or you were illiterate, in MOST of these places you'd have to go through metal detectors. At that point you would be told that you can't enter.
So to say that the sign really means anything, or that you would be arrested for disregarding a sign, is pretty far fetched!
To simplify - they are granted an exemption from the law which does allow them to legally exclude carry. I would assume, but you can call and verify if you wish, that their policy that you cannot carry is not specific to any particular part of the facility and covers their entire facility.
I wouldn't want to be the test case but I would assume you would be arrested just as if you tried to bring a firearm into a jail.
Call Wishard and talk to security and ask them - they will be able to set you straight and I'm almost certain it will be, 'You cannot legally carry a gun in this Hospital and you will be arrested if you attempt to do so.'
Of course the sign doesn't have to exist for it to be illegal! That's my point. But they would have to inform you somehow. And when they do, I'm sure you would have the opportunity to remove yourself or your weapon.So ignore the sign - go to jail. Doesn't matter if you are yelling, 'The sign doesn't carry the weight of law!' while they're putting the cuffs on you.
It doesn't have to - the sign doesn't have to exist at all for it to be illegal for you to carry there.
Go ahead and be the test case.
Just as you could get stopped for speeding and get a warning - I wouldn't bet my freedom on it because they do not have to let you walk out with your firearm.Being "picky" again. But "I assume" that if you did "attempt" to carry a gun into one of these exempted places, you would not be arrested for that action! I'm sure you would be told that it is illegal, and like any other kind of trespass, be given the chance to leave. If then, you refuse, you could, and possibly would be arrested.
Was it?Of course the sign doesn't have to exist for it to be illegal! That's my point.
Can you show me where in the law they are legally required to make you aware that it is illegal to carry there? Do remember that ignorance isn't a defense.But they would have to inform you somehow.
Replace Hospital with Government or Federal Building - would you still be so sure? Once you've broken the law you can be arrested they do not have to give you an opportunity to leave.And when they do, I'm sure you would have the opportunity to remove yourself or your weapon.
Probably a wise decision.i won't be the test case! I know about the law, and I have no plans to ever enter!
Ok, actually my point was that signs don't carry any weight.Just as you could get stopped for speeding and get a warning - I wouldn't bet my freedom on it because they do not have to let you walk out with your firearm.
Was it?
Can you show me where in the law they are legally required to make you aware that it is illegal to carry there? Do remember that ignorance isn't a defense.
Replace Hospital with Government or Federal Building - would you still be so sure? Once you've broken the law you can be arrested they do not have to give you an opportunity to leave.
Probably a wise decision.
Alrighty then, now that we are clear as mud on that, lets rehash;
Is the whole hospital or just a part of it against the law to actually carry in? What are the metal detector specifics?
Is this law actually enforced? Are carriers arrested or asked to leave?
Do we have any actual real info on this from officers, staff, patrons?
To simplify - they are granted an exemption from the law which does allow them to legally exclude carry. I would assume, but you can call and verify if you wish, that their policy that you cannot carry is not specific to any particular part of the facility and covers their entire facility.
I wouldn't want to be the test case but I would assume you would be arrested just as if you tried to bring a firearm into a jail.
Call Wishard and talk to security and ask them - they will be able to set you straight and I'm almost certain it will be, 'You cannot legally carry a gun in this Hospital and you will be arrested if you attempt to do so.'
...Yes, I could well be a test case for this. Positively knowing where I stand is important.
Someone here once said they have some kind of a Detention Center there, and that's why you can't pack there....Maybe somebody could find and post Wishard's actual rule, policy or ordinance on this matter.
All of the discussion seems to be revolving around the code which allows them to have and enforce such a policy, but I haven't seen a single cite of their rules or the possible consequences of violating them.
I know that most local ordinances and rules just have fines associated with violations, not jail time.
Someone here once said they have some kind of a Detention Center there, and that's why you can't pack there....
It the mods didnt give wrist slaps, there'd be more tumbleweeds than posters.
(I'd still be her though)
Just wanting to post for posteriors sake...........
There is no hallowed ground where crime and criminals are concerned.
Just wanting to post for posteriors sake...........
I carry everywhere I "legally" can.
There is no hollowed ground where crime and criminals are concerned.
Signage carries no force of law. Yes you can be ASKED to leave and trespassed if you do not.
Her who? Freudian slip?