Hospital Asks About Guns

[richieray]

My answer come check my house at 3 am any morning and you can figure it out for yourself

 

[Yes]

My mom went into Union Hospital (Terre Haute) for surgery this week and they asked her if she owned any guns when she checked in. My wife was with her. Probably a good thing it wasn't me.

Has this happened to anyone else?

Ever been to a hospital where they treated you with respect?

As far as the hospital employees are concerned, no matter who you are, no matter what happened to you, you're simply a worthless lowlife who is there in an attempt to get pain meds. Nevermind the fact that a) you didn't ask for any, and b) you have broken bones/holes in you/etc..

They also love to staff them with spiteful women who know nothing of medical science while simultaneously professing to everyone they know that they are a font of knowledge when it comes to medicine. (receptionists are especially prone to this.) Note: not talking about the actual doctors/nurses here.

Only go to a hospital if you are literally about to die.

 

[billybob44]

Answer - NOYFB...

^^^There you go Willie-I fixed it for you..Bill

 

[Doug B]

False. What ACA actually says is that the information can not be recorded. Anyone can ask, but it is not a required question and, as such, does not need to be answered.

Here's the text directly from the bill, emphasis mine.

‘‘(c) PROTECTION OF SECOND AMENDMENT GUN RIGHTS.—øAs
added by section 10101(e)(2)¿
‘‘(1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS.—A wellness
and health promotion activity implemented under subsection
(a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any
information relating to—
‘‘(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully-possessed
firearm or ammunition in the residence or on the property
of an individual; or
‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm
or ammunition by an individual.

‘‘(2) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION.—None of the
authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that
Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the
collection of any information relating to—
‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm
or ammunition;
‘‘(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or
‘‘(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition.

‘‘(3) LIMITATION ON DATABASES OR DATA BANKS.—None of
the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient
Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made
by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used
to maintain records of individual ownership or possession of
a firearm or ammunition.

‘‘(4) LIMITATION ON DETERMINATION OF PREMIUM RATES OR
ELIGIBILITY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE.—A premium rate may not
be increased, health insurance coverage may not be denied,
and a discount, rebate, or reward offered for participation in
a wellness program may not be reduced or withheld under
any health benefit plan issued pursuant to or in accordance
with the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an
amendment made by that Act on the basis of, or on reliance
upon—
‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm
or ammunition; or
‘‘(B) the lawful use or storage of a firearm or ammunition.

‘‘(5) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION REQUIREMENTS FOR
INDIVIDUALS.—No individual shall be required to disclose any
information under any data collection activity authorized under
the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act relating to—
‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm
or ammunition; or
‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm
or ammunition.

http://www.ncsl.org/documents/health/ppaca-consolidated.pdf

According to the official list, EO 16 states: Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

The doctors can choose to ask. It can not be required as a condition of medical care. If it is not required, it is not required that you answer.

The problem is they use the word, "may". The document should have been written, " a doctor SHALL not ....."

 

[88GT]

Last year while I was getting a second opinion on a medical condition they asked me about smoking. While I quit smoking in 1985; I did not answer the question.

The nurse tracked me down & harangued me regarding the omitted response. I asked what did this have to do with here & now. She continued to press for a positive response & when I told her it had no bearing on this situation, she said she was answering the positive response on the form. When I complained to the MD he said it was "policy" & required because they accepted medicare.

I haven't been back.

It's probably also policy to treat any response other than "no" as "yes."

Which is why all the cute little snarky responses given here are a complete waste of time. They aren't doing anything other than confirming ownership. The correct answer is just a simple "no."

 

[poptab]

Sorry havent read whole thread. (yea I am a lazy bastard)

Remember this thread? https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo..._target_gun_violence_as_a_social_disease.html

Gun ownership is a disease. A terrible malignant and contagious disease. Its like the AIDS virus.

 

[MrsTuesday]

Pediatricians have been asking this question for years. I know the peds office we used briefly in '07 asked. My current one does not. However, I shall simply refuse to answer should they ask. Though I agree a "no" response is best, I have 6 children who will hear me lie, something I will not allow. Since I desire my children learn lying is never the answer and we must accept all consequences of our choices, I will refuse to answer, direct my children likewise and rely upon the graces of God for the rest.

 

[in812]

No I dont have any guns in the house I'M CARRYING THEM !

 

[Smokepole]

They have been doing this for quite some time. When we took my oldest for her first visit to the Pediatrician, the question of guns in the home came up early. My response was "I don't see where that info has anything to do with this MEDICAL exam." She said that they were supposed to ask, that my answer was fine. And that was the last time that I ever heard that question or one like it.

My wife is a nurse and has spent years working in the Emergency Room and we were talking a couple of weeks ago about the fact that they have for sometime now had to ask and record about cigarette smoking and they have to record BMI on all persons in the initial assessment interview. Her thinking is that somewhere down the line BMI will play a big part in how and what treatment you will get during your visit. Can you say: OBAMACARE ! ! ! !

 

[Bill of Rights]

Answer
"Why? Is the bill going to be that high?"

I like it.

 

[actaeon277]

I like it.

Thanks.
I just have a hard time with them stting themselves as a judge or expert.
I do not offer advice on surgery.

If they are asking about "dangerous stuff", where are the questions on swimming pools and baseball bats?

And if they were to ask about other dangerous stuff, it's none of their business.
When I get an oil change I don't get those questions.
When I see a doc (or nurse), it is for a specific problem.

 

[jgreiner]

My mom went into Union Hospital (Terre Haute) for surgery this week and they asked her if she owned any guns when she checked in. My wife was with her. Probably a good thing it wasn't me.

Has this happened to anyone else?

tell them to foad.

 

[dprimm]

"Why? Are you going to try and rob me?"

I have already had the discussion with the wife that the answer is "None of your business." Though No is probably a better response.

 

[RockofStrength]

It's probably also policy to treat any response other than "no" as "yes."

Which is why all the cute little snarky responses given here are a complete waste of time. They aren't doing anything other than confirming ownership. The correct answer is just a simple "no."

Unless you don't find it convenient to lie, in which case you might as well have a snarky response to it.

 

[GGF]

I've worked in a hospital for 30 years. Believe me when I tell you questions like this are just the begining.
Wait until Obamacare kicks in full speed, I wonder what you'll have to say, do or pay for to get healthcare for you and your family.

I worry sometimes that government healthcare may be worse than them trying to restrict our gun rights.

GGF

 

[flagtag]

Dr./nurse: Do you own any guns?

Answer: (Looks around nervously) Why? Is there trouble? Am I safe here? Should I get one? Is there anyone here with one? Should you call the police? Is there anyone here to protect me?

Or, simply: "No".

 

[Bushido Devil Dog]

Every time I see this topic come up it reminds me of a scene in the movie "Enemy of the State":

Robert Clayton Dean (Will Smith): I'll tell you what. Rachael, was my girlfriend in my second year of law school, we still remain in close contact, and we swap information from time to time.
Blake (Will's co-worker): Did you have an affair with her 4 years ago?
Robert Clayton Dean: Ever

off in the shower, Brian? Ever had any homosexual thoughts?
Silverberg (Will's boss): Bob, that's...
Robert Clayton Dean: [Interrupting] None of my f()in' business! You're damn right it's not!!

Not saying that I would reply using the exact wording from this scene...I just like how he put the inappropriate questioner on the defensive with equally inappropriate questions...

 

[JC PAINT WORKZ]

they asked me this at my sons check ups too. Next visit I'm telling them I lost them in a boating accident..... Well I did.

 

[abnk]

I would tell them no despite the fact that I usually OC in doctors' offices. If they ask about it, I'll tell them it's not mine.

 

[flagtag]

Please understand that they would be FORCED to ask those questions. I doubt that any of them would choose to do it. (Well, not that many).

So, If an illegal - unConstitutional question is asked, I have no problem with telling a "fib".