Horning Steal Election from Mourdock

[jamil]

I am saying that if 10 marriages exist, and 9 end in divorce - that cannot be used to argue that a state is doing it right.

Even if the other state has 5 marriages, and 5 end in divorce - that still does not make a strong argument.

If you have to even bring per capita into divorce rates - the situation is bleak.

I'm not arguing either point. Just trying to know what you're saying.

 

[IncendiaryGunner]

I'm not arguing either point. Just trying to know what you're saying.

That even though you may be statistically correct - the point holds no water, because the numbers are all so pathetic that it does not matter.

 

[Captain Bligh]

Mourdock shot himself in the foot. It is as simple as that. Even the more moderates within his own party began to distance themselves from him.

The irony is that if Republicans would not have moved to unseat Dick Lugar, Lugar would have won re-election handily and Republicans would have had another seat in the Senate.

 

[jamil]

That even though you may be statistically correct - the point holds no water, because the numbers are all so pathetic that it does not matter.

I lived in Mississippi for several years. They have horney teenagers too. When they get pregnant they do the "right" thing and marry without much thought. Then they divorce when they figure out they're not all that compatible. So in short, teen horniness is the cause of the high teen pregnancy, marriage, and divorce rates. They understand that this is the social consequence of their ideals.

 

[Birds Away]

Mourdock shot himself in the foot. It is as simple as that. Even the more moderates within his own party began to distance themselves from him.

The irony is that if Republicans would not have moved to unseat Dick Lugar, Lugar would have won re-election handily and Republicans would have had another seat in the Senate.

What good is having Dick Lugar if he is going to support Obama with every vote?

 

[IncendiaryGunner]

I lived in Mississippi for several years. They have horney teenagers too. When they get pregnant they do the "right" thing and marry without much thought. Then they divorce when they figure out they're not all that compatible. So in short, teen horniness is the cause of the high teen pregnancy, marriage, and divorce rates. They understand that this is the social consequence of their ideals.

Horniness does not cause pregnancy... making the decision to have sex can lead to pregnancy.

If divorce is wrong, then the fact that they rushed into marriage because of a pregnancy does not make it right.

The high rates of teen pregnancy and divorce is the social consequence of their irresponsible actions, and not a benefit of their superior ideals - because if they exercised those, the rates would be low.

Even if you find a state with higher rates on paper, it is arguing that two wrongs make a right. When the rates are that high, no amount of spin turns it into a positive.

 

[CarmelHP]

Mourdock shot himself in the foot. It is as simple as that. Even the more moderates within his own party began to distance themselves from him.

The irony is that if Republicans would not have moved to unseat Dick Lugar, Lugar would have won re-election handily and Republicans would have had another seat in the Senate.

Lugar was not a Republican vote in the Senate.

 

[turnandshoot4]

I would've voted for Donnely before Murdock.

 

[IncendiaryGunner]

Sorry to get so off topic...

I would've voted for Donnely before Murdock.

^^

This is why it likely did not change the outcome of the election....

First, you can assume at least some of the third party voters would not vote at all if Horning wasn't on the ballot. Honestly, the chunk of voters that would have stayed home does away with the spread alone...

But, the remaining votes would be split to some degree among the candidates.

Since Mourdock would have needed 129,387 more votes to defeat Donnely, and only 141,253 votes TOTAL were cast for Horning - Mourdock would need votes from more than 91% of the TOTAL horning turnout to change the election in his favor.

If even 1/10 Horning voters stayed home instead, or if every single Horning voter showed up and even 1/10 voted for Donnely - Horning would still win.

It is a politically unrealistic concept.

 

[Phil502]

Mourdock shot himself in the foot. It is as simple as that. Even the more moderates within his own party began to distance themselves from him.

The irony is that if Republicans would not have moved to unseat Dick Lugar, Lugar would have won re-election handily and Republicans would have had another seat in the Senate.

I would have. I'm still glad he's gone. I prefer an enemy to a traitor anyday.

 

[jamil]

Horniness does not cause pregnancy... making the decision to have sex can lead to pregnancy.

If divorce is wrong, then the fact that they rushed into marriage because of a pregnancy does not make it right.

The high rates of teen pregnancy and divorce is the social consequence of their irresponsible actions, and not a benefit of their superior ideals - because if they exercised those, the rates would be low.

Even if you find a state with higher rates on paper, it is arguing that two wrongs make a right. When the rates are that high, no amount of spin turns it into a positive.

I'm just explaining the mindset, not condoning it. They know the social consequences and they'd rather do what they're doing. To them sex outside of marriage and abortion are social consequences too. They view the latter as more socially irresponsible than the former. Of course the more educated horny teenagers use protection and just don't tell anyone at church.

 

[jamil]

Lugar was not a Republican vote in the Senate.

Agreed. Not saying I would rather have had Luger but even if Luger would vote exactly as Donnelly in every other vote, he would not be voting for Reid as the majority leader. Still not much didderence though.

 

[88GT]

Yep.

When will all the people who supported the guy that lost learn this?

I didn't cost your guy the win by voting for a third party. Your guy lost the race by being a douchebag.

When the libertarians realize that their candidates' losses aren't due to idiot voters who can't make the "right" decisions?

 

[jamil]

When the libertarians realize that their candidates' losses aren't due to idiot voters who can't make the "right" decisions?

Romney 48%. Libertarian ~1%. What does that say about their candidate when a nation who views him so much less than a "douchebag"?

 

[cosermann]

Mourdock cost himself the election.

Mourdock has only himself to blame. what a stupid comment

Do you mean what Mourdock actually said, in context, or the caricature into which the media twisted it? Just wondering.

Mainstream media twists Mourdock's comments about God and life into something unrecognizable | Fox News

 

[downzero]

The irony is that if Republicans would not have moved to unseat Dick Lugar, Lugar would have won re-election handily and Republicans would have had another seat in the Senate.

It wasn't irony, it was intentional.

 

[ssblair]

Mourdock cost himself the election.

Agreed, but I'm most leery that come 2014, the GOP establishment is going to take this loss as an "I-told-you-so" to the Tea Party contingent within the GOP and push the party further to the left (ahem. "center"). Ie. Misattributing the loss to voter preference over policy principles when it was Mourdock stuffing his foot in his mouth about rape and abortion in the same sentence.

 

[LEaSH]

The GOP can burn.

What takes its place is for a larger collective of us to decide.

 

[IncendiaryGunner]

Do you mean what Mourdock actually said, in context, or the caricature into which the media twisted it? Just wondering.

Mainstream media twists Mourdock's comments about God and life into something unrecognizable | Fox News

His exact words are what lost him the seat - not how the media twisted it.

They did not make him out to be "pro-rape" like this story suggested - they simply highlighted that he is pro-life to such an extreme degree, that he believes even when a woman is raped she should keep the child.

In a moderate America, that lost him the election - the left media did not have to spin it, they just had to play it over and over.

Keep in mind, he lost the election in a state that went firmly red - which highlights that even the Republican party as a whole does not agree with his statement.

When the libertarians realize that their candidates' losses aren't due to idiot voters who can't make the "right" decisions?

Translation: Modern day Republicans will never take responsibility for a lost election as long as they have someone to blame. They will never hold up the fact that some of their top right most ideas are not popular as their reason for defeat if they can simply continue to blame people like Johnson, Horning, and the Obama phone lady.

Remember when the Republican party was synonymous with the responsible party?

When everyone and everything your party does is infallible, and the only reason it does not work or things in the world go bad is so quickly and without effort blamed on the other guy, or the media, or another party, or entitlements - the Republican party is no longer that party. Continuing to tell ourselves that it is, while refusing to run a responsible party - does not make it so.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Yep. The amount of federal funds going to farmers alone is astounding.

Conservative? ROFL! Welfare is welfare, doesn't matter if it's going to feed corn chips in the hood or corn on the cob.

Big government is big government. Justify it all you want.

Interesting that you would bring up farm subsidies. I will agree that they have no business existing, and will also add that they are a prime factor in the family farm not being competitive. We might pause to remember that they were one of Lugar's proudest issues and that they are much more useful to 'farmers' surnamed Corporation than anyone else.