History Lesson Please

[nakinate]

At one point in American history people were allowed/expected to carry with no permit. When did this change and what caused the change to require permits to excercise a "right"?

 

[Bennettjh]

Very good question. I often wonder that too.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Did I hear someone call for a history lesson?

When did this change and what caused the change to require permits to excercise a "right"?

Almost right off the git go, Colonial Southern America.

Started in the South and what caused it was slavery/racism.

Blacks (African Americans), even if free, could only bear arms with permission. This continued after the Civil War with Jim Crow and the Son of Ham laws.

In Indiana, while concealed carry was prohibited shortly after statehood, excepting travel, the carry license was implemented in 1935 as part of the Uniform Firearm Act (model legislation drafted in a faculty lounge at Yale, IIRC). It was a hold over from the influence of the Klan which still held sway in part of Indiana even after the Stephenson scandal. The license was thought to be a way to control Catholics and Blacks.

The legitimate UFA motivation was to combat "gangsterism" which government caused by implementing Prohibition. Government creates problems and then proposes more problems masked as solutions. Such as it always has been.

 

[Exodus]

Guessing here but I think late 1800s like 1890s or early 1930s. For some reason those pop out to me. Glad to be of no help haha.

 

[ru44mag]

Wikipedia.
Laws banning the carrying of concealed weapons were passed in Kentucky and Louisiana in 1813, and other states soon followed: Indiana (1820), Tennessee and Virginia (1838), Alabama (1839), and Ohio (1859). Similar laws were passed in Texas, Florida, and Oklahoma.[12]

 

[Bunnykid68]

Wikipedia.
Laws banning the carrying of concealed weapons were passed in Kentucky and Louisiana in 1813, and other states soon followed: Indiana (1820), Tennessee and Virginia (1838), Alabama (1839), and Ohio (1859). Similar laws were passed in Texas, Florida, and Oklahoma.[12]

Open carry was allowed though wasn't it? Not sure who said it, but I think it was someone important

Only someone up to no good would conceal carry. Something like that

 

[nakinate]

Thanks for the info. The thought popped in my head today and I figured someone here would know.

 

[42769vette]

Did I hear someone call for a history lesson?



Almost right off the git go, Colonial Southern America.

Started in the South and what caused it was slavery/racism.

Blacks (African Americans), even if free, could only bear arms with permission. This continued after the Civil War with Jim Crow and the Son of Ham laws.

In Indiana, while concealed carry was prohibited shortly after statehood, excepting travel, the carry license was implemented in 1935 as part of the Uniform Firearm Act (model legislation drafted in a faculty lounge at Yale, IIRC). It was a hold over from the influence of the Klan which still held sway in part of Indiana even after the Stephenson scandal. The license was thought to be a way to control Catholics and Blacks.

The legitimate UFA motivation was to combat "gangsterism" which government caused by implementing Prohibition. Government creates problems and then proposes more problems masked as solutions. Such as it always has been.

learn somthing every day.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

If you are intested in understanding the history of gun laws:

Armed America: The Remarkable Story of How and Why Guns Became as American as Apple Pie: Clayton E. Cramer: 9781595552846: Amazon.com: Books


A Right to Bear Arms: State and Federal Bills of Rights and Constitutional Guarantees (Contributions in Political Science): Stephen P. Halbrook: 9780313265396: Amazon.com: Books


The Samurai, the Mountie and the Cowboy: David B. Kopel: 9780879757564: Amazon.com: Books

 

[ru44mag]

Open carry was allowed though wasn't it? Not sure who said it, but I think it was someone important

Only someone up to no good would conceal carry. Something like that

I believe you could open carry. This was probably determined more by local athorities. What say Kirk?
Guess I'm too slow, like usual.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I believe you could open carry. This was probably determined more by local athorities. What say Kirk?
Guess I'm too slow, like usual.

Ever heard of Tombstone? (not the pizza)

 

[TTravis]

If you are intested in understanding the history of gun laws:

Armed America: The Remarkable Story of How and Why Guns Became as American as Apple Pie: Clayton E. Cramer: 9781595552846: Amazon.com: Books


A Right to Bear Arms: State and Federal Bills of Rights and Constitutional Guarantees (Contributions in Political Science): Stephen P. Halbrook: 9780313265396: Amazon.com: Books


The Samurai, the Mountie and the Cowboy: David B. Kopel: 9780879757564: Amazon.com: Books

Those books are expensive.

 

[Boonl1776]

Here's a link that provides a pretty thorough and interesting history of gun regulation in America:

The Secret History of Guns - Adam Winkler - The Atlantic

 

[Aaron1776]

Did I hear someone call for a history lesson?



Almost right off the git go, Colonial Southern America.

Started in the South and what caused it was slavery/racism.

Blacks (African Americans), even if free, could only bear arms with permission. This continued after the Civil War with Jim Crow and the Son of Ham laws.

In Indiana, while concealed carry was prohibited shortly after statehood, excepting travel, the carry license was implemented in 1935 as part of the Uniform Firearm Act (model legislation drafted in a faculty lounge at Yale, IIRC). It was a hold over from the influence of the Klan which still held sway in part of Indiana even after the Stephenson scandal. The license was thought to be a way to control Catholics and Blacks.

The legitimate UFA motivation was to combat "gangsterism" which government caused by implementing Prohibition. Government creates problems and then proposes more problems masked as solutions. Such as it always has been.

Mr. Freeman beat me to it. He has it exactly right.

Freedom, must be freedom for all. Not even "undesirables" can be allowed to be chained, or else the government will add links to the chains yard by yard until not only are they enslaved, but also you.

 

[ru44mag]

Ever heard of Tombstone? (not the pizza)

Why Johnnie Ringo, you look like somebody just walked over your grave. You got me. That post didn't quite come out right.

 

[STEEL CORE]

"I'm your Huckleberry" (just had to do it)

 

[dusterboy49]

Did I hear someone call for a history lesson?



Almost right off the git go, Colonial Southern America.

Started in the South and what caused it was slavery/racism.

Blacks (African Americans), even if free, could only bear arms with permission. This continued after the Civil War with Jim Crow and the Son of Ham laws.

In Indiana, while concealed carry was prohibited shortly after statehood, excepting travel, the carry license was implemented in 1935 as part of the Uniform Firearm Act (model legislation drafted in a faculty lounge at Yale, IIRC). It was a hold over from the influence of the Klan which still held sway in part of Indiana even after the Stephenson scandal. The license was thought to be a way to control Catholics and Blacks.

The legitimate UFA motivation was to combat "gangsterism" which government caused by implementing Prohibition. Government creates problems and then proposes more problems masked as solutions. Such as it always has been.

Kirk is our resident historian.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

No, actually there is another here who is actually trained and published Professor of History . . . whose secret identity I shall not reveal.

 

[nakinate]

Tombstone is one of my favorite movies..."I got 2 guns, one for each of ya."

 

[brotherbill3]

Good Thread. ... THANKS to all for starting and info.