Helping Sex Offenders Re-integrate Into Society

[Fletch]

YouTube - Sex Offender Shuffle

I can't find the article right now but IIRC a high number of offenders will be repeat offenders...

Here's a compilation of some of the various studies. Of course, which strategy minimizes the chance of any given offender to re-offend? The one which treats him like an animal and forces him to live like a vagrant? Or the one that provides him with food, clothing, and requires him to attend a moral education?

 

[Fletch]

Psalms, 92:11

Already been covered:

I think love and forgiveness are at the core of what Jesus taught. Christianity is supposed to be the teaching of Jesus, but I guess the old testament fire and brimstone is too tempting for most "Christians".

 

[lashicoN]

so if someone that is known to commit murder because he doesn't think he will get caught, should we let him buy guns and LTCH permit when he gets out? I mean he deserves a second chance and all? Sex offenders prey on week and young children and deserve NO second chance!!!! It is a shame they let them back out to the public, all the damage they do to an innocent boy or girl and what they have to deal with the rest of there lives....

As far as I know, people who are "known" to commit murder go to jail. I've never "known" anyone who was "known" to go around murdering people and get away with it.

A well regulated militia, being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Notice it doesn't say the right of the people who have never committed a crime. Rights aren't privileges. Rights should not be taken away while you are a free American. If you aren't serving a sentence, you are free. So yes, people who get our of jail, no matter what crime they previously committed, deserve to get all of their rights back, as tax paying American citizens who are protected by the Constitution of the United States.

I think most everyone deserves a second chance. I honestly hope you continue to live a perfect life and never make a mistake and end up with a jury who agrees with your current view of second chances.

 

[evansvillethompsongunner]

Already been covered:

As a non-believer, I discount all of the book which you deem Holy - but if there be a God, it is certain that He has discounted none of it, for every jot and tittle shall be fulfilled, and to disregard any of it is folly, apparently.

So if I'm wrong in my disbelief, then I too doubt that you shall be correct in your picking-and-choosing as to what shall be obeyed and observed by Man.

Moreover, that shows a 52% recidivism rate for child molesters and 39% for rapists, according to one study, over twenty-five years. I consider it too much of a risk to neighborhood children to flip a coin for their safety.

 

[Fletch]

Notice it doesn't say the right of the people who have never committed a crime. Rights aren't privileges. Rights should not be taken away while you are a free American. If you aren't serving a sentence, you are free. So yes, people who get our of jail, no matter what crime they previously committed, deserve to get all of their rights back, as tax paying American citizens who are protected by the Constitution of the United States.

I think most everyone deserves a second chance. I honestly hope you continue to live a perfect life and never make a mistake and end up with a jury who agrees with your current view of second chances.

Dangit, I no can rep you for this, but I sorely want to.

 

[Fletch]

As a non-believer, I discount all of the book which you deem Holy - but if there be a God, it is certain that He has discounted none of it, for every jot and tittle shall be fulfilled, and to disregard any of it is folly, apparently.

So if I'm wrong in my disbelief, then I too doubt that you shall be correct in your picking-and-choosing as to what shall be obeyed and observed by Man.

If that's the case, why involve yourself in the religious side of the discussion at all?

 

[thompal]

I think love and forgiveness are at the core of what Jesus taught. Christianity is supposed to be the teaching of Jesus, but I guess the old testament fire and brimstone is too tempting for most "Christians". Sex crimes are terrible crimes, but these men have served them time for their crimes and are now free again. Are you advocating their neighbors do something illegal, before the state could take any action? What is the point in being let out of prison if you can't ever try to be normal again?

Served their time? From a legislative view, perhaps, discounting early releases to make room for other convicted felons such as pot smokers. And there is also the issue of all kinds of stupid things being thrown in under the term "sex offender" (did you know that a teenage girl who sends a 'sext' message of herself is guilty of "child exploitation" (a sex crime against a minor)). Until those sorts of things are sorted out, I am hesitant to label anyone as "pervert."

HOWEVER, actual crimes such as child molestation, rape, etc, are among those which the criminal tends to be a repeat offender.

I say, let the newspaper print the names, pictures, and convictions of any sex offender who is moving into a neighborhood, and let the neighborhood parents figure it out. If the parents of kids next door decide they REALLY don't want child molesters mingling with their kids, perhaps a solution can be found.

 

[evansvillethompsongunner]

If that's the case, why involve yourself in the religious side of the discussion at all?

One need not believe in mythical edict to know what the mythical edict declares.

Even if the rate [of recidivism of sex offenders] is only 18% as the source, CSOM, states, even that is too high a risk to society, in my opinion. One in six is far too much to risk. One in ten is far too much to risk.

 

[Fletch]

HOWEVER, actual crimes such as child molestation, rape, etc, are among those which the criminal tends to be a repeat offender.

The most likely re-offenders, according to the site I linked, are exhibitionists.

 

[42769vette]

somthing else to think about is everyone is forgetting our system is prefect and noone is ever wrongfully accused.

(i dont know how to do purple) im sure most are sex offenders for good reason but there are exceptions.

bring on the neg rep

 

[rambone]

The Hatfields and their neighbors found out in January what Wright was doing and want him shut down. They say authorities are moving slowly and seem reluctant to close his operation, even though he may be violating the law.

What law might he be breaking?

"We have enough sex offenders of our own in this county,” Mickie Hatfield said. "We don’t want our community to be known as a safe haven for them, because before long it won’t be safe for the average person.”

Would they really be happier if these people did not have the ministry to turn to? If they had no job and just a lot of time on their hands?

 

[thompal]

As far as I know, people who are "known" to commit murder go to jail. I've never "known" anyone who was "known" to go around murdering people and get away with it.

A well regulated militia, being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Notice it doesn't say the right of the people who have never committed a crime. Rights aren't privileges. Rights should not be taken away while you are a free American. If you aren't serving a sentence, you are free. So yes, people who get our of jail, no matter what crime they previously committed, deserve to get all of their rights back, as tax paying American citizens who are protected by the Constitution of the United States.

I think most everyone deserves a second chance. I honestly hope you continue to live a perfect life and never make a mistake and end up with a jury who agrees with your current view of second chances.

It really has nothing to do with a jury. The simply fact is that neighbors and parents can't morally be forced to allow someone to live nearby who is a risk to their children.

If a neighborhood can band together and prevent a legal business like a strip club or adult book store from moving a block away because it might attract people who are a threat to their children, why should that same neighborhood be powerless to prevent those very same threats from moving next door? That, in itself, is a silly concept.

 

[lashicoN]

Dangit, I no can rep you for this, but I sorely want to.

I tried to rep you earlier as well. Apparently we don't spread the rep around enough?

 

[Fletch]

One need not believe in mythical edict to know what the mythical edict declares.

And one need not be deliberately insulting to make a point.

Even if the rate [of recidivism of sex offenders] is only 18% as the source, CSOM, states, even that is too high a risk to society, in my opinion. One in six is far too much to risk. One in ten is far too much to risk.

And that's your opinion, but it has nothing to do with the facts at hand. If sex offenders are being released from prison, that is the situation we have NOW. It may be that you advocate for never releasing them, and that's fine for you to advocate, but until your advocacy turns into something more than just your hot air, the situation continues as it IS, not as you wish it to be. So given that they are being released from prison, is it more reasonable to do everything we can to help them be in the 5/6ths that do not re-offend, or would you just prefer that they re-offend so you can have your excuse to put them back in prison?

 

[evansvillethompsongunner]

And one need not be deliberately insulting to make a point.



And that's your opinion, but it has nothing to do with the facts at hand. If sex offenders are being released from prison, that is the situation we have NOW. It may be that you advocate for never releasing them, and that's fine for you to advocate, but until your advocacy turns into something more than just your hot air, the situation continues as it IS, not as you wish it to be. So given that they are being released from prison, is it more reasonable to do everything we can to help them be in the 5/6ths that do not re-offend, or would you just prefer that they re-offend so you can have your excuse to put them back in prison?

How is stating fact [that God has not rescinded one word of either New or Old Testament] insulting to anyone, sir?

As for your false dichotomy, as to whether I would prefer the supposed full five-sixths who would not re-offend receive help or prison, I'm afraid I must answer neither. I would prefer all child molesters to be hanged from the stoutest and closest tree available.

 

[thompal]

somthing else to think about is everyone is forgetting our system is prefect and noone is ever wrongfully accused.

(i dont know how to do purple) im sure most are sex offenders for good reason but there are exceptions.

Boy, you got that right!! That's why we have had such stellar decisions as U.S. v. Miller!!

 

[lashicoN]

It really has nothing to do with a jury. The simply fact is that neighbors and parents can't morally be forced to allow someone to live nearby who is a risk to their children.

If a neighborhood can band together and prevent a legal business like a strip club or adult book store from moving a block away because it might attract people who are a threat to their children, why should that same neighborhood be powerless to prevent those very same threats from moving next door? That, in itself, is a silly concept.

So if I consider the people living on your property a threat to my family I can make them move away? How about if I get seven of our neighbors to agree with me? What constitutes a real threat? People who commit any crime can be "threatening" to a family. People who worship different Gods can be "threatening" to your religion. What if you make too much money, invest it into your property, raise the value of the land and in turn make the nearby property more valuable. Is that not threatening to a family renting a home on a nearby property?

Mob rule isn't American.

 

[Fletch]

It really has nothing to do with a jury. The simply fact is that neighbors and parents can't morally be forced to allow someone to live nearby who is a risk to their children.

If a neighborhood can band together and prevent a legal business like a strip club or adult book store from moving a block away because it might attract people who are a threat to their children, why should that same neighborhood be powerless to prevent those very same threats from moving next door? That, in itself, is a silly concept.

They're not powerless. They can move.

With the exception of HOA's (another subject hashed to death on this board), people don't generally have the moral right to control the property of others, zoning laws notwithstanding. I wasn't happy when a neighbor turned his yard into a grave site for old clunkers, but it was his property and his right to do as he wished with it. I eventually moved.

 

[Fletch]

So if I consider the people living on your property a threat to my family I can make them move away? How about if I get seven of our neighbors to agree with me? What constitutes a real threat? People who commit any crime can be "threatening" to a family. People who worship different Gods can be "threatening" to your religion. What if you make too much money, invest it into your property, raise the value of the land and in turn make the nearby property more valuable. Is that not threatening to a family renting a home on a nearby property?

Yeah, and while you're at it, why not just get rid of all the other "undesirables"... you know, the ones with too much melanin, or that wear towels on their heads, or whatever. There certainly are enough around here who would consider a muslim family moving in next door a "threat".

 

[dustjunky2000]

Wow. I'm glad I never got caught making out in a car. This crowd would likely have me and/or my tryst partner locked up as a deviants and the keys thrown away.

True. Most people hear "sex offender" and auto-assume that it means violent child molestor. I don't think anyone realizes how easy it is to get labeled as a SO. Have you ever had sex or fooled around in a car? You're a sex offender. Ever taken a leak in an alley or a park? You're a sex offender. Ever 'streaked'? Guess what? You're a sex offender.
Ever looked at porn or racy pics on a public computer? Sex offender. Ever pitched a tent in a public place and had to 'adjust' yourself? Well, if another person or a kid saw you do it, you're a sex offender.

Now you all know you've done one of these at least once before. And don't think that these are rare cases that never happen. It happens all the time. The witch hunt on these supposed moral crimes is alarming.

Heck, all that is needed to arrest and charge someone with a sex offense is someone saying 'he did this'. Nothing more than hearsay. Then even if your accuser recants, it's too late. Your name is in the paper and the arrest is on your record. If you're not legal savvy enough to know to contact a lawyer, the police can lie to you and convince you that they have all they need to put you away for years and even ruin your life when you get out. But if you just 'admit' your crime, they will cut you a deal.
Ask me how I know about this. (no, I'm not a sex offender)

The absurd number of 'technical' sex offense cases involving teens is astounding. Being sexually involved with someone just 2 years younger than you could allow the state to punish you and ostracize you for the rest of your life. These are the only crimes where the punishment is never over. There is no such thing as paying your debt to society and moving on. Every year there is another law saying what you can't do.

Are there the bad kind of SOs who harm children and rape people? Yes.
Do those people deserve their punishment? Oh goodness yes.
Is every sex offender a sadistic child rapist? No.
Are a large number of SOs branded as scum for things that are undeserved or even false? YES

So please, when you hear 'sex offender', try not to start foaming at thew mouth and getting bile on your shirt. At least try to get the facts on the person before you cast your righteous judgment.

/rant