Helping Sex Offenders Re-integrate Into Society

[dross]

Actually, no, it's not typical.

There are 24 states where the state provides the age of the victim or age of the offender at time of conviction or commission of the crime. In a detailed analysis I found that less than 1/2% of all offenders were age bracketed where they could have been in a Romeo and Juliet situation. It is a red herring that is often used by critics to blast the value of sex offender registration.

For every story I hear about a Romeo and Juliet I can tell you about 20 sick twisted freaks (to quote Glenn Beck). I had a sex offender's wife contact me once and accuse us of ruining her life because her husband had sex with a 15 year old when he was 16. When we reviewed his conviction history the truth was that he was 37 when he raped a 6 year old. Turns out that this offender, In his mid 50s, had been raping this woman's daughters for years. Or the woman that found out that her new step son was a registered sex offender because he raped his father's second wife's preteen daughters. This woman had twin 10 year olds. The (ex) husband never told here what his son had done. She found out because she found the 17 year old on a sex offender registry.

No sex offender is ever going to tell you that they want to have sex with your kids, even though they do.

Definitely not making a stand on this one, I just find that some of the laws go too far, and I see a difference between the different types of crimes.

 

[Lucas156]

If they are scared these sex offenders are too close to a girl scout camp why are they even out of prison? Meaning that if people fear them and they are assumed dangerous criminals still why were they let out in the first place?

 

[Eddie]

I don't have stats to back this up, but I wonder if that actually isn't the typical offender.

It would be interesting to consider just how many guys, when they were between the ages of 18 and 22, would be on the list if the truth were known. In some states, an 18 year old having sex with a 17 year old would be a crime.

This doesn't come from any sort of scientific study but rather from experience first as a LEO and later as a lawyer in investigating, arresting and later defending sex offenders.

With regards to status/molest type offenses; persons who have sex with persons who are not of a legal age to consent to having sex there seem to be two catagories of offenders.

The first is a person who is sexually attracted to a child. These persons tend to fixate on a particular age and sometimes but not always a particular gender of child. In other words, an offender who is into six year old boys would likely have no interest in a fourteen year old girl. These offenders methodically plan their crimes and target their victims. They choose jobs that place them in proximity to the age and gender of child that they want to prey upon. Because they are sexually attracted to children I compare them to drug addicts in my mind; they want something that will never be legal for them to have but because the desire is a sexual desire they will keep trying to get it.

The other type of offender that I have seen over the years is a person who is sexually attracted to adults but is indifferent as to the actual age of the person that they have sex with so long as that person looks like an adult. This is the "romeo and juliet" type but it is also the 30 year old man who seduces the neighbor's "13 going on 30" daughter. This type has no interest in anyone who looks like a child, they want someone who looks like an adult and they don't care whether that person is 13 or 25.

I think that the "honest mistake" offenders are rare outside of the romeo and juliet type relationships. Generally speaking whenever I have dug into a case involving more than a few years difference in age between the victim and the offender the "honest mistake" frequently turns out to be indifference or a calculated "mistake" which is more of a pre-planned defense of what the offender knew was a wrongful act.

Like I said, this isn't a study, I'm just speaking from experience.

 

[PatMcGroyne]

Thanks,MODs, for bearing with this.

Only two glaring errors so far (Purple here):
sight/site/cite ; Flex/Fletch. This post has great merit. Pat

 

[printcraft]

 

[Arm America]

Reps for the picture which is worth a Thousand words.

 

[Fletch]

May you never need forgiveness.

 

[dhnorris]

would the graveyard be considered "integrated" into society?

 

[TK421]

Determining who is real sexual predator and who is a statutory rapist is easier than you think. I know a big shot private investigator who uses a criminal profile that he has compiled over years of experience with sex crime cases. Here is his very detailed and meticulously cataloged profile for sex offenders:

In case anyone is interested in his services here is his website's address: The Best Page In The Universe.

 

[ArmedProgrammer]

dhnorris, printcraft, et al...

I would respectfully submit the following to you. If the death penalty, the wood chipper, whatever you choose as the correct punishment for the crime, is what you want - then please lobby your representatives in this regard and MAKE IT THE LAW. I don't necessarily disagree. I do believe in the Constitution - that needs to be followed EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE OR FIND IT INCONVENIENT. In some of these cases where people have raped people (especially children) the punishment needs to fit the crime. And that's a tall order.

The whole wood chipper thing puts you in company with folks like Saddam Hussein's torture specialists... I'm not sure that's company I'd choose to keep. Life without possibility of parole, I can DEFINITELY understand in many of these cases.

I am very slow to go for the death penalty FOR THIS CRIME - for one very specific reason. A friend of mine in California had a tragedy happen in his family. We'll call the guy Mike (not his real name). Mike's sister got angry with her father. She got REALLY hot apparently. She concocted a story and accused him of molesting her. It got so far out of hand that he was convicted and incarcerated and shunned by the rural community where I grew up. Finally he was able to prove his innocence via some evidence that PROVED she was fabricating the story, and was released, but not before it wrecked his life. It was a tragedy for the whole community...

I'm not saying that this is common - or that everyone is falsely accused. Clearly there are plenty of cases where it's all too real. I've given an example of one such case earlier in this thread. And there's NO question that such folks need to go up the river for a LONG time, and perhaps their entire life. I would have agreed with that had that been the law for my cousin. There are some that I believe warrant the death penalty - although great caution must be exercised in going there, since there's obviously no going back.

Many people have VERY strong feelings about this, and I'm the first to say that TOUGH punishment is in order. Please bear in mind that the world is full of very simple, one word, or one picture, answers that are oversimplified and wrong.

 

[Arm America]

The story that I am most familiar with is 9 year old Jessica Lunsford.
Kidnapped, raped, burned and buried alive.

The pervert that took her life was a registered offender, but the system failed her, her family and every other child that he came into contact with.

Another was Jaycee Dugard in California, kidnapped at 11 years old by a registered sexual predator, held as a sex slave for 18 years. I repeat, 18 years.

While I did not know the families personally, I was one of many that became more disgusted with the system each time another update was shown on the news.

I have young nieces and nephews.

Child molesters being re-introduced back into mainstream America makes me puke.

In my opinion, and its mine, there is no lower form of pond scum walking the Earth.

Trying to change the system only falls on deaf ears.

Heaven forbid we deprive someone of their Constitutional Rights.

We must maintain political correctness.

 

[lashicoN]

Your two stories are depressing and disgusting. Human beings can do terrible things to one another. There was something else that was equally depressing, disgusting, and disturbing in your post.

"Heaven forbid we deprive someone of their Constitutional Rights."

I rarely hear people in my parts say things this ridiculous and anti-American. This is right on par with people clambering for gun bans who spout some nonsense like "it's time to bring part of the Bill of Rights out of the 1700s". I took more offense to that comment than any other idiotic image or rant I've ever read on this forum. That kind of thinking is as dangerous, if not more so, as terrorist attacks on our country, because you're not just attacking a person or a building, you're attacking THE American value, law. We are a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC. The Constitution is all we have.

By the way, you're fortunate the same document you believe should be suspended to some people protects that idiotic statement you just made.

 

[printcraft]

9 year old Jessica Lunsford.
Kidnapped, raped, burned and buried alive.

Jaycee Dugard in California, kidnapped at 11 years old by a registered sexual predator, held as a sex slave for 18 years. I repeat, 18 years.

Along with thousands of others. Abused, mutilated, dead.
Where is their happily ever after?
What about their rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

There are some sick bastards in the world and sorry if it offends but
the world would be a better place without them.

Forgiveness in this life is something I do not need from man.
I keep my together and am not a danger to my fellow man or society.
Personal responsibility.

Yep, that.

Oh and I did not say they had to get thrown in completely, well maybe a part or two.

 

[Fletch]

For the record, lest anyone should think I don't "get it" with regard to children, this is my nephew:

I would do ANYTHING for this little boy. And if anyone ever laid a hand on him, Uncle Fletch's wrath would be primal. It would take a great deal of effort to keep me out of prison, because my strongest desire would be to beat whoever it was to death with my bare hands.

That said, I still believe that I have a responsibility as a Christian to care for the "least of these". Christianity is not for good people -- they don't need it. Christianity is for sinners.

 

[ArmedProgrammer]

<mini-rant warning >
I DO NOT DISAGREE that the crimes we are talking about are heinous. The Lunsford and Dugard cases are examples of this. And there are tons of them out there. I don't disagree with the death penalty in such cases. I only said that we had to be DAMN SURE that the person was guilty... because I saw a man railroaded to a conviction in a town not ALL that different from Salem Indiana. It just happened to be in rural California. And it turned out to be not true.

I don't know how clear I can be. Especially in the violent cases like the ones you've mentioned. Make SURE you've got the right dude, then ELIMINATE them! And as I said, I would eliminate such a predator without a shred of remorse - IF IT WAS A MATTER OF DEFENDING MYSELF OR MY FAMILY (OR ANYONE ELSE). That is within the law! Even in the case where we are talking about my own cousin, I would gladly do it!

If I walk up to him today - knowing that he's guilty - but also knowing that he took all of the sentence that society asked of him... Do I pull out the Taurus 709, or wood chipper, or whatever, and waste him? Is THAT WHAT I SHOULD DO? (Yes or No?!! I DON'T have the luxury of armchair quarterbacking...) God knows that I HATE what he did. Believe me there are times that I WANT to run him through the chipper...

So what stops me from DOING it?? Arm America, printcraft, I JOIN YOU in WANTING to lay waste to someone who commits these crimes... The offender registry is out there, for that matter... why DON'T YOU just start down the list and start chipping away?

May I suggest that it's because we have a law against murdering someone in cold blood? Even if every fiber of our being is SCREAMING for vengeance... AND RIGHTLY SO... And you don't know how bad it is until you KNOW someone is guilty - no question -it's a given. But they are long since in jail before you found out.

If we're going to kill someone for their crimes... It needs to be with the safeguards of the Constitution. Despite every instinct that we possess screaming against that. On this same discussion forum we argue that LTCH Holders are being treated like sex offenders by newspapers publishing our personal info. And rightly so... What prevents people from attacking us (EVIL gun owners)?? At the core of it is NOT the Constitution (although that codifies things). It is the unalienable rights that each of us are granted from the moment we were created.

So I would agree with you that the law should be the death penalty in many of these cases. That said, what happens where the judgement is 15 years in a treatment facility in Napa, California??? And it gets served.... ????

Where do things go from there? Again - no Monday morning quarterbacking is allowed. (Can't say "Hey Colts - Watch out for that onside kick, and put in the "hands" team to start the second half!") Can't say - "Should have sentenced him to life, or the needle or the chipper".... Where do things go from there?

It s^cks... but that is the position we are left in. I still choose the rule of law, myself. In spite of every desire of my body to the contrary. And so do you - unless you are secretly out there offing people that are on the sex offender registry, right???

So if no one can legally "get rid of" such people - then how should they be treated? Make them homeless and force them to go underground?? Or put them in a VOLUNTARY situation like what is described above??? SERIOUSLY, which is more likely to keep stuff from happening again? You know the answer to that question!

Even if the answer to the question REALLY s^cks...

That's the pragmatic side to the question. It has nothing to do with forgiveness. I'll leave that part of the debate to others.

 

[Fletch]

Can't rep you again... but I want to.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Can't rep you again... but I want to.

Got him for you.

 

[yotewacker]

Are you basing your assertion on a sample size of one?

Any sort of addiction is difficult to "cure", if indeed it is addictive behavior that is going on. But I maintain that it is worthwhile to make the effort.

No, I am not. I seen this again and again in law enforcement.