HEA 1296 Signed, Gov Holcomb Now on the Pro-2A Bandwagon?

[TrueSeanamus]

I'll have to do that. The fact that Holcomb wasn't at the statehouse to accept the bill and sign it on the spot is enough for me. The fact that he let it sit on his desk for 5 days mulling it over is a travesty. Like I said, I'm actually shocked he signed it at all; I honestly thought he'd just let it ride for 7 days so he could distance himself from it if it was politically expedient to do so.

It only sat for 5 days? Felt like over a week nearly 2. Lol. Guess I was a bit hyped.

 

[gregr]

I'm a bit cynical even with ConC becoming law 1 July 2022. Same guy who said basically F-your Constitutional Rights when the question on Constitutional Carry came up at the 2020 debates. Same guy who sent his hyperbolic ISP Superintendent to spout unsubstantiated garbage at House and Senate hearings while in uniform. Same guy who DIDN'T sign HEA 1296 on the 15, 16, 17th, or 18th.

Without NRA-ILA (AKA NRA members), ISRPA (AKA ISRPA members), and yes INGO (AKA US!!! We the INGO? I like that!!) melting the phone lines, filling the inboxes, mailboxes, FAX hoppers, etc... would HEA 1296 be the law of the land in 99 days?

Did the internal numbers say to go this route for his political future? Does he think we won't remember?

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Yesterday from Kyle Hupfer:

KellyinAvon,

Our Second Amendment rights are stronger than ever here in Indiana, thanks to the leadership of Republicans in the legislature and Governor Eric Holcomb.

This week, Governor Holcomb signed HB 1296 into law, which means that Hoosiers ages 18 and older will no longer be required to get a permit in order to carry a handgun. Indiana joins 23 other states with similar laws, including Vermont, which has had a constitutional carry law in place since it became a state.

Importantly, all citizens who are prohibited under state or federal laws from possessing a firearm will still be prohibited, and can be prosecuted for doing so.

The Second Amendment has been debated for years, and time after time, the U.S. Supreme Court upholds that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

We are proud that Republican leadership in Indiana means that your Constitutional rights are protected. If you’re proud too, please consider making a donation today so that we can continue to support candidates and causes that put your freedoms and liberties FIRST.

Thanks for your continued support!


Today from the Holcomb Crew:

KellyinAvon ,

Eric has been BUSY in 2022 so far, signing a number of pro-Hoosier bills that give our citizens more freedom over their lives.

Today, we’re excited to let you know that he has signed HEA 1296, which officially grants Hoosiers the right to carry a handgun without a permit.

Here’s what Governor Holcomb said about signing HEA 1296:

“The Second Amendment has been debated for years, yet time and again our U.S. Supreme Court has reaffirmed this important constitutional right that I fully support. Twenty-three other states have laws comparable to HEA 1296. Vermont has had a constitutional carry law in place since it became a state, and several other states have had a similar law for more than a decade. HEA 1296, which I've signed today, entrusts Hoosiers who can lawfully carry a handgun to responsibly do so within our State.

It’s important to note that if a person is prohibited, under federal or state laws, from possessing a firearm before this law goes into effect, that person will still be prohibited. And if a prohibited person has a firearm, he or she can be prosecuted. Firearm permits will remain available, without fee, to anyone who wants or needs one, such as Hoosiers desiring to carry a firearm to, through or in another state that has reciprocity with Indiana.” – Governor Eric J. Holcomb

KellyinAvon , Governor Holcomb is proud to make Indiana the 24th state in America to pass permit-less carry into law.

As always, Eric will continue his work to make Indiana the BEST state in America, and he’s so happy to have your support along the way.

Sincerely,
Holcomb Crew

holcomb is the epitome of a political whore. He`s not MY friend, and if you love your freedoms and individual liberties, he`s no friend of yours either.

 

[xwing]

Of course his signing the bill was a political move and purely politically motivated. All signing or vetoing of any legislation is. But regardless of the "reason", Gov. Holcomb made the right the decision in the end. He should get credit for that, even if you don't like him...

 

[gregr]

Yeah Holcomb might not be the brightest star in the sky, but as bad as he might be, he is better than having a democrat in office. Remember how bad mean tweets were? Yup, a democrat was much better than that guy who was so mean with his tweets.

If anything, Holcomb needs be outed via primary. But who is running against him on the republican ticket? I honestly don't know.

holcomb isn`t a democrat?

 

[gregr]

Of course his signing the bill was a political move and purely politically motivated. All signing or vetoing of any legislation is. But regardless of the "reason", Gov. Holcomb made the right the decision in the end. He should get credit for that, even if you don't like him...

No sir. Motive counts at least as much as what was done.

 

[xwing]

No sir. Motive counts at least as much as what was done.

I don't trust any politician as to motive. For all of them (Dems and Republicans alike), their motive it to stay in office / advance to a more prominent office. They just take different paths to get there, and I try to vote for the ones whose paths happen to be better for the nation and for freedom than their opponents' paths.

 

[gregr]

I don't trust any politician as to motive. For all of them (Dems and Republicans alike), their motive it to stay in office / advance to a more prominent office. They just take different paths to get there, and I try to vote for the ones whose paths happen to be better for the nation and for freedom than their opponents' paths.

Yet, when one is as clearly a political whore as is holcomb, I won`t thank him for anything.

 

[edporch]

As bad as Holcomb may be, he signed the constitutional carry Bill.
If Democrat Woody Myers had been elected, being that he ran on an anti-gun platform, he'd have NEVER signed it under any circumstances.

SO, in the 2024 Primary get a non-RINO nominated as the Republican candidate for Governor.
Don't just wait until the Fall election to vote, then whine about who the Republican candidate is when you ignored the Primary.

For sure the Democrats won't nominate a pro-gun rights candidate for Governor under any circumstances.
The Democrat Party has gone hard left pinko for some time, and the only chance of a candidate who can win will be from the Republican Party.

 

[Bill of Rights]

Of course his signing the bill was a political move and purely politically motivated. All signing or vetoing of any legislation is. But regardless of the "reason", Gov. Holcomb made the right the decision in the end. He should get credit for that, even if you don't like him...

No sir. Motive counts at least as much as what was done.

As bad as Holcomb may be, he signed the constitutional carry Bill.
If Democrat Woody Myers had been elected, being that he ran on an anti-gun platform, he'd have NEVER signed it under any circumstances.

SO, in the 2024 Primary get a non-RINO nominated as the Republican candidate for Governor.
Don't just wait until the Fall election to vote, then whine about who the Republican candidate is when you ignored the Primary.

For sure the Democrats won't nominate a pro-gun rights candidate for Governor under any circumstances.
The Democrat Party has gone hard left pinko for some time, and the only chance of a candidate who can win will be from the Republican Party.

Two (or more) things can be true at once. @xwing and @gregr are both right: Holcomb DID do the right thing and sign the bill. He did so for his own personal reason, not because it was the right thing to do, and not because he believed in it- hell, he actively fought it even coming to the floor of the Senate! He knew if it got to his desk, it would leave him in an untenable position: If he doesn't sign the bill, many gun owners will never vote for him again, and if he does sign the bill, or even allow it to become law without his signature, many on the political Left will vote against him, and no matter which he chose, people in the middle would be swayed against him.

The BETTER solution would have been to champion its passage, campaign FOR it and enthusiastically sign it the moment it hit his desk. So why not do that? It's a matter of principle: If he has views that oppose private gun ownership, he can stick to his views or discard them. Neither of those is palatable to us, here. Speaking for myself, I won't ask someone to compromise his values, but I will expect "our side" to give us people with better values!

So yes, I give him credit for signing it in the same way I give credit to a child-rapist for not injuring more children than he or she did, when there is a rifle pointed at his/her skull. Right thing to do, wrong reason to do it, but the effect is still net-positive for freedom.

And @edporch is correct, a Dem would have flat-vetoed it.

GOP leadership, are you listening? Give us good candidates we can vote FOR, not just a choice of hard Left or "just Right of Hillary".

Blessings,
Bill

 

[KLB]

As bad as Holcomb may be, he signed the constitutional carry Bill.
If Democrat Woody Myers had been elected, being that he ran on an anti-gun platform, he'd have NEVER signed it under any circumstances.

So? It would still have become law.

Democrat Woody Myers would have had much less influence on the Senators, and thus would have had a harder time trying to block the bill in the first place. Holcomb is a wolf in sheep's clothing. He'll get nothing but scorn from me. His signing the bill does not negate him actively trying to stop this bill.

 

[Expat]

I am confident that Rainwater would have strongly supported the bill.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I am confident that Rainwater would have strongly supported the bill.

Yes. I believe he even said so during his campaign.

 

[chipbennett]

INGO a week ago: "Eff Holcomb! He's a spineless weenie. I won't vote for him for him dog catcher if he doesn't sign the CC bill."

Holcomb signs CC bill.

INGO immediately after: "Eff Holcomb! He's a spineless weenie. I won't vote for him for him dog catcher despite him signing the CC bill."

Never change fellas.

The reality is that, if Holcomb runs for US Senate and wins the primary, he'll win the general - because this is Indiana. I suspect his internal numbers told him something about his viability in the primary if he tried to veto HEA1296.

I called to encourage him to sign it, but I didn't couch that encouragement in an ultimatum/promise regarding future support. I didn't vote for him in the general in 2020, because of his tyrannical positions regarding Covid policies. Those positions - along with his obvious reluctance to support constitutional carry - will factor into my vote in any primary in which he runs in the future.

 

[xwing]

The reality is that, if Holcomb runs for US Senate and wins the primary, he'll win the general - because this is Indiana. I suspect his internal numbers told him something about his viability in the primary if he tried to veto HEA1296.

I called to encourage him to sign it, but I didn't couch that encouragement in an ultimatum/promise regarding future support. I didn't vote for him in the general in 2020, because of his tyrannical positions regarding Covid policies. Those positions - along with his obvious reluctance to support constitutional carry - will factor into my vote in any primary in which he runs in the future.

Amen on the COVID policies. He was in the middle as "pretty bad". Not nearly as bad as any of the Democrat-run states, but not nearly as good as the few states which never started mandates or quickly rescinded them.

Assuming he runs for Senate, I certainly won't vote for him in the primary. But withholding a vote for a Republican in the general election merely helps the leftist commie Dem who is the other candidate. I will do anything possible to oppose the socialist authoritarians who the Democrats put up, and voting for a RINO is well worth it when that is the opposition. God help us if Woody had been elected, we'd probably still be in a mask mandate, like Illinois was until just over a month ago!

 

[MCgrease08]

The reality is that, if Holcomb runs for US Senate and wins the primary, he'll win the general - because this is Indiana. I suspect his internal numbers told him something about his viability in the primary if he tried to veto HEA1296.

I called to encourage him to sign it, but I didn't couch that encouragement in an ultimatum/promise regarding future support. I didn't vote for him in the general in 2020, because of his tyrannical positions regarding Covid policies. Those positions - along with his obvious reluctance to support constitutional carry - will factor into my vote in any primary in which he runs in the future.

This matches my thinking and position closely. I can't see myself voting for Holcomb for anything moving forward.

But I do think it's important to at least take a moment to recognize and thank Holcomb for doing the right thing, despite underlying motivations.

It's also important that we (conservative) put pressure on squishes like Holcomb by at least dangling the carrot of future support, even if we don't actually anticipate following through. If Holcomb or some future squish knows they won't get our support under any circumstances, then they are able to completely ignore our position and wishes.

 

[Jaybird1980]

Two (or more) things can be true at once. @xwing and @gregr are both right: Holcomb DID do the right thing and sign the bill. He did so for his own personal reason, not because it was the right thing to do, and not because he believed in it- hell, he actively fought it even coming to the floor of the Senate! He knew if it got to his desk, it would leave him in an untenable position: If he doesn't sign the bill, many gun owners will never vote for him again, and if he does sign the bill, or even allow it to become law without his signature, many on the political Left will vote against him, and no matter which he chose, people in the middle would be swayed against him.

The BETTER solution would have been to champion its passage, campaign FOR it and enthusiastically sign it the moment it hit his desk. So why not do that? It's a matter of principle: If he has views that oppose private gun ownership, he can stick to his views or discard them. Neither of those is palatable to us, here. Speaking for myself, I won't ask someone to compromise his values, but I will expect "our side" to give us people with better values!

So yes, I give him credit for signing it in the same way I give credit to a child-rapist for not injuring more children than he or she did, when there is a rifle pointed at his/her skull. Right thing to do, wrong reason to do it, but the effect is still net-positive for freedom.

And @edporch is correct, a Dem would have flat-vetoed it.

GOP leadership, are you listening? Give us good candidates we can vote FOR, not just a choice of hard Left or "just Right of Hillary".

Blessings,
Bill

I don't think they're listening.

I would encourage people to spend the next few years sending messages and calling to tell them that RINO's are not acceptable.
I have sent many messages and have never even received an acknowledgement, if we pull together we may have a voice that gets heard.

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The Indiana Republican Party 101 W Ohio Street, Suite 2200 Indianapolis, IN 46204 Email: info@indiana.gop Phone: 317-635-7561 Fax: 317-632-8510 Contact a Staff Member

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[edporch]

So? It would still have become law.

Democrat Woody Myers would have had much less influence on the Senators, and thus would have had a harder time trying to block the bill in the first place. Holcomb is a wolf in sheep's clothing. He'll get nothing but scorn from me. His signing the bill does not negate him actively trying to stop this bill.

So do I infer you'd choose woody Myers to "show 'em"?
Even though he would've been further left than even Holcomb?

 

[KLB]

So do I infer you'd choose woody Myers to "show 'em"?
Even though he would've been further left than even Holcomb?

I chose Rainwater. I just don't pretend that the R next to a candidates name means that much. In some cases it would be better to have a D as Gov. Maybe the congress would stand up to him more.

 

[edporch]

I chose Rainwater. I just don't pretend that the R next to a candidates name means that much. In some cases it would be better to have a D as Gov. Maybe the congress would stand up to him more.

I'm not a party drone, so yes Rainwater would've been a better choice than Myers.
But Rainwater had no chance of winning, and his main strong point was like other Libertarians in that he helped push the direction of the debate on the issues.

I have voted for Libertarian candidates many times going back to the 1980's.
But in recent years, they've gone left on things like pushing open borders for example.

 

[TrueSeanamus]

No sir. Motive counts at least as much as what was done.

I’d disagree with that. All of their motives is to remain in office sucking up tax dollars if they are just seeking power. Ideologues are much more dangerous. I don’t see Holcomb as an ideologue. I think he just wants to keep his easy peasy job making nice money doing next to nothing and he will do whatever the popular winds say. He doesn’t care about the 2a, but that’s better than being actively against or you end up with crap like californias ex gov Brown and now Newsome who both actively attacked 2a rights.