Hammond is looking for trouble

[GuyRelford]

Heya TFT,

All my friends are telling me about a new site on the internets... some number site... I think it is "billyoon" or "google" or something. Anyway, apparently you can just type in something and it will tell you what number of site has what you typed in.

Huh. I never made the connection.

 

[GuyRelford]

Speedway is apparently doing the right thing. I had the following exchange with their town manager today:

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Speedway Municipal Code Chapter 9.08
From: "Guy Relford" <grelford@global-lit.com>
Date: Fri, September 09, 2011 3:01 pm
To: "Barbara Lawrence" <blawrence@townofspeedway.org>

Ms. Lawrence - thank you very much for your prompt response! I applaud the fact that the Town of Speedway is apparently taking the appropriate steps vis-a-vis its local ordinances. I look foward to reading the revised Municipal Code after September 26.

Have a great afternoon.

Guy

-------- Original Message ------​

​

Subject: Re: Speedway Municipal Code Chapter 9.08
​

From: Barbara Lawrence <blawrence@townofspeedway.org>
Date: Fri, September 09, 2011 12:50 pm
To: Guy Relford <grelford@global-lit.com>

It is on the agenda for introduction at the September 12 council meeting... Final passage would be at the September 26 meeting.


Thank you.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 9, 2011, at 12:26 PM, "Guy Relford" <grelford@global-lit.com> wrote:

Good afternoon. I note that certain Speedway ordinances included within Speedway Municipal Code Chapter 9.08 ("Firearms") conflict with Ind. Code 35-47-11.1-2, et. seq., effective July 1, 2011. I am curious as to whether the Town of Speedway intends to repeal or amend these ordinances so as to comply with state law.

Thank you very much for your time and attention.

Guy A. Relford
The Law Offices of Guy A. Relford
(317) 450-8252
grelford@global-lit.com
www.global-lit.com

​

​

 

[Jack Burton]

Sec. 13-97. - Restrictions on the possession and manufacturing of assault weapons.
(a)
No person may manufacture any assault weapon, as defined herein, within the City of South Bend.
(b)
No person may possess any loaded assault weapon, as defined herein, within the City of South Bend, except as specifically provided herein.
(c)
No person may manufacture or possess any magazine with a capacity of more than fifteen (15) rounds for assault weapons within the City of South Bend, except as specifically provided herein.


& the defintion of an "assault weapon" per South Ben is...
SEC 13-95 (b)
Assault Weapons shall mean and include:
(1)
Any center fire rifle with automatic action or semi-automatic action or revolving cylinder weapon, or carbine which accepts a detachable magazine with a capacity of over fifteen (15) rounds;
(2)
Any semiautomatic shotgun with a magazine capacity of more than nine (9) rounds;

Code can be found here:
Municode - Search

type in High capacity in the serach to get the code.

BTW the exception to the code is anyone on

IC 35-47-2-2
Excepted persons
Sec. 2. Section 1 of this chapter does not apply to:
(1) marshals;
(2) sheriffs;
(3) the commissioner of the department of correction or persons authorized by the commissioner in writing to carry firearms;
(4) judicial officers;
(5) law enforcement officers;
(6) members of the armed forces of the United States or of the national guard or organized reserves while they are on duty;
(7) regularly enrolled members of any organization duly authorized to purchase or receive such weapons from the United States or from this state who are at or are going to or from their place of assembly or target practice;
(8) employees of the United States duly authorized to carry handguns;
(9) employees of express companies when engaged in company business; or
(10) any person engaged in the business of manufacturing,
repairing, or dealing in firearms or the agent or representative of any such person having in the person's possession, using, or carrying a handgun in the usual or ordinary course of that business.
As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32. Amended by P.L.164-2011, SEC.2.

Just had a long talk with "mary" at the South Bend city lawyer's office at 574.235.9241. She is obviously not a lawyer and it pretty clueless about the current law and the legal status. However, she did say she would find out and get back to me. I told her I needed 3 bits of info...

1) Is the law still currently on the books.
2) Is the current law being enforced
3) What plans exist, if any, to change the current law to reflect the new state law.

 

[jedi]

It's still "on the books" as South Bend like Griffith and many other cities/town use that online 3rd party system to show their ICs to ensure they (the city/town) have the latest and greatest. Now it could be that South Bend since then pass a revision but I'll bet the farm they did not.

 

[Jack Burton]

It's still "on the books" as South Bend like Griffith and many other cities/town use that online 3rd party system to show their ICs to ensure they (the city/town) have the latest and greatest. Now it could be that South Bend since then pass a revision but I'll bet the farm they did not.

Oh... I knew it was still on the books... I just want a chance to talk to their attorney to find out why.

 

[jedi]

Oh... I knew it was still on the books... I just want a chance to talk to their attorney to find out why.

Cause & this is all speculation

1) They (SB) got what they wanted in that some online version still won't send hi-cap magazines to residents of SB because of the "code" that may or may not be legal (the vendors do not know & it's easier to just not sell)

2) Suspect that those on the current SB board may not even know the code is there and/or no one has brought it up to their attention

3) It's not hurting anyone & no one has gotten in trouble for it

4) There was no way (until 01 JUL 11) to really force the city to correct its code (ie. SUE THEM!!!)

 

[mainjet]

Thanks for the link!

Did you see that the article said that the SBS was stolen from.....
CHICAGO!!!

Are SBS legal in IL? Let alone Chicago!

It said the shotgun was stolen from Chicago but that doesn't mean that it was a sawed-off when it was stolen. They could have done the "gunsmithing" themselves after the theft.

I also assume that since the one perp ran with the shotgun and was not shot by police, he must have had it concealed. So I am thinking that they may possibly have sawed-off the stock and had it stuffed down his pant leg. This is speculation of course.

 

[gunbunnies]

Hey, don't know if this is still current but I found this code for E.Chicago, Indiana.

§​

​

​

​

136.08 AUTOMATIC OR
SEMI-AUTOMATIC RIFLES.
(A) Any person who owns or possesses any
automatic or semi-automatic rifle shall be fined and
the weapon or weapons shall be confiscated.
(B) The provisions of this section shall not be​

construed to apply to the members of the military or
naval forces of the United States, National Guard of
the state or State Guard when on duty or practicing;
also any law enforcement officers of this state or the
United States while acting in the furtherance of their
duties.
(1995 Code,§ 9.28.080) (Ord. 3486, passed- -1989)​

Weapons​

§ ​

​

136.99 PENALTY.​

(A) ​

​

Generally. Any person violating any
provision of this chapter, for which no other penalty
is provided, shall be subject to the penalty provisions
of§ 10.99.​

(B)​

​

​

​

Automatic or semi-automatic rifles.​

(1) Any person who owns or possesses any
automatic or semi-automatic rifle in violation of​

§​

​

​

​

136.08 shall be fined up to $1,000 and the weapon
or weapons shall be confiscated.
(2) The fact that the weapon is loaded shall
also be an offense punishable by fine and confiscation.​

(1995 Code, § 9.28.080) (Ord. 3486, passed- -1989)

and I found it here:

http://www.eastchicago.com/i-want-to-know-about/ec_municipal_codes_2.pdf

 

[GuyRelford]

Hey, don't know if this is still current but I found this code for E.Chicago, Indiana.

§​

​

​

​

136.08 AUTOMATIC OR
SEMI-AUTOMATIC RIFLES.
(A) Any person who owns or possesses any
automatic or semi-automatic rifle shall be fined and
the weapon or weapons shall be confiscated.
(B) The provisions of this section shall not be​

construed to apply to the members of the military or
naval forces of the United States, National Guard of
the state or State Guard when on duty or practicing;
also any law enforcement officers of this state or the
United States while acting in the furtherance of their
duties.
(1995 Code,§ 9.28.080) (Ord. 3486, passed- -1989)​

Weapons​

§ ​

​

136.99 PENALTY.​

(A) ​

​

Generally. Any person violating any
provision of this chapter, for which no other penalty
is provided, shall be subject to the penalty provisions
of§ 10.99.​

(B)​

​

​

​

Automatic or semi-automatic rifles.​

(1) Any person who owns or possesses any
automatic or semi-automatic rifle in violation of​

§​

​

​

​

136.08 shall be fined up to $1,000 and the weapon
or weapons shall be confiscated.
(2) The fact that the weapon is loaded shall
also be an offense punishable by fine and confiscation.​

(1995 Code, § 9.28.080) (Ord. 3486, passed- -1989)

and I found it here:

http://www.eastchicago.com/i-want-to-know-about/ec_municipal_codes_2.pdf

I'm going to look into this.

 

[jedi]

I'm going to look into this.

Just don't get shot if you go into EC.
You are the wrong color in that part of town.

 

[magic man]

Just don't get shot if you go into EC.
You are the wrong color in that part of town.

Funny, but true. I felt REALLY out of place driving through EC the other day.

 

[GhostofWinter]

Just don't get shot if you go into EC.
You are the wrong color in that part of town.

Maybe he should take you as his caparone or escort then my little BROWN friend

 

[GuyRelford]

Seriously - is anyone here a resident of East Chicago who is being adversely affected by the ban on auto/ semi-auto rifles?

 

[jedi]

Seriously - is anyone here a resident of East Chicago who is being adversely affected by the ban on auto/ semi-auto rifles?

Sorry TFT but I don't think we have any EC residents on INGO or in the NWI INGO social group. At least not that have come forward.

 

[GuyRelford]

Sorry TFT but I don't think we have any EC residents on INGO or in the NWI INGO social group. At least not that have come forward.

How about anyone who visits EC regularly?

 

[singlestacksig]

i am sure we can find a reason to visit..

 

[Jack Burton]

How about anyone who visits EC regularly?

I am in and out of EC on a fairly regular basis. I have avoided buying a semi-auto riflle for fear that if I carry it into EC on one of my trips I may be arrested for it.

 

[LockStocksAndBarrel]

I am in and out of EC on a fairly regular basis. I have avoided buying a semi-auto riflle for fear that if I carry it into EC on one of my trips I may be arrested for it.

There ya go!

 

[GuyRelford]

I am in and out of EC on a fairly regular basis. I have avoided buying a semi-auto riflle for fear that if I carry it into EC on one of my trips I may be arrested for it.

It's on.

 

[Andy219]

Gotta tag myself for updates. When this is all taken care of I can start fishing again at Forsythe Park, I used to love fishing there.