gun in my car at work

[dreich]

i work at a racetrack/casino and Indiana law expressly prohibits firearms on the premise even in vehicle. Am subject to prosecution and loss of job if found.

 

[87iroc]

I work at a company with a no guns at work policy. When they passed the law a couple years ago(I presume the one that is mentioned earlier in this thread)...they sent an email saying 'nothing changes, we'll get back to you'.

Now the rule states 'in your car, in a metal case, bolted to floor, locked, with ammo not in gun' or something like that.

Thats OK. I'll never need it. The 'No weapons of any kind allowed on premises' sign will take care of everything for me. So no worries.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

This seems pretty vague:

IC 34-28-7-2
Regulation of employees' firearms and ammunition by employers
Sec. 2. (a) Notwithstanding any other law and except as provided in subsection (b), a person may not adopt or enforce an ordinance, a resolution, a policy, or a rule that:
(1) prohibits; or
(2) has the effect of prohibiting;
an employee of the person, including a contract employee, from possessing a firearm or ammunition that is locked in the trunk of the employee's vehicle, kept in the glove compartment of the employee's locked vehicle, or stored out of plain sight in the employee's locked vehicle.
(b) Subsection (a) does not prohibit the adoption or enforcement of an ordinance, a resolution, a policy, or a rule that prohibits or has the effect of prohibiting an employee of the person, including a contract employee, from possessing a firearm or ammunition:
(1) in or on school property, in or on property that is being used by a school for a school function, or on a school bus in violation of IC 20-33-8-16 or IC 35-47-9-2;
(2) on the property of:
(A) a child caring institution;
(B) an emergency shelter care child caring institution;
(C) a private secure facility;

I believe 2c refers to private juvenile detention homes and such. The only thing I can find in IC is secure private facility which is under juvenile and family law. But IANAL TINLA.

IC 31-9-2-114
"Secure facility"
Sec. 114. "Secure facility", for purposes of the juvenile law, means a place of residence, other than a shelter care facility, that prohibits the departure of a child.
As added by P.L.1-1997, SEC.1.
IC 31-9-2-115
"Secure private facility"
Sec. 115. (a) Except as provided in subsection (b), "secure private facility", for purposes of the juvenile law, means the following:
(1) A facility that is licensed under IC 31-27 to operate as a secure private facility.
(2) A private facility that is licensed in another state to provide residential care and treatment to one (1) or more children in a secure facility other than a detention center, prison, jail, or similar correctional facility.
(b) "Secure private facility", for purposes of IC 31-27, means a secure private facility other than the following:
(1) A juvenile detention facility established under IC 31-31-8 or IC 31-31-9 (or IC 31-6-9-5 or IC 31-6-9.5 before their repeal).
(2) A facility operated by the department of correction.
(3) A county jail.
(4) A detention center operated by a county sheriff.
As added by P.L.1-1997, SEC.1. Amended by P.L.145-2006,

i work at a racetrack/casino and Indiana law expressly prohibits firearms on the premise even in vehicle. Am subject to prosecution and loss of job if found.

Can you cite that please? Heck a casino has to provide secure storage for firearms for patrons. The only thing I know of regarding this is under IAC which forbids firearms in the casino itself. What's funny is that the sign that they have to post about it refers to IC 4-33 for the penalties such as detention/confiscation/civil penalties/etc, but there are none for possessing a firearm in the casino listed in that section.

Rule 7. Weapons
68 IAC 1-7-1 Weapons on the riverboat
Authority: IC 4-33-4-1; IC 4-33-4-2; IC 4-33-4-3
Affected: IC 4-33-8

(b) No individual other than an enforcement agent shall carry a weapon on board the riverboat. A law enforcement officer
or a federal enforcement officer:
(1) whose sole purpose for being on the riverboat is the performance of official duties; and
(2) who has advised the enforcement agent or the commission that the officer will be on board the riverboat;
shall be allowed to carry a weapon on board the riverboat.
(c) The riverboat licensee shall post a sign in a prominent place at the point of passenger ingress stating, "No weapons are
allowed beyond this point. Failure to comply with this rule may result in the immediate removal from the riverboat, immediate
detention by security personnel, the imposition of civil penalties, or exclusion under IC 4-33.".
(d) The riverboat licensee shall provide a secure place to which patrons do not have access to store weapons checked by:
(1) patrons;
(2) off duty law enforcement officers; or
(3) off duty federal enforcement officers.

 

[CTS]

i work at a no gun place as well but i cant even take one in my car because i have to go through a guard search before i even get to my parking lot.

Unless you're talking about a place specifically prohibited (like a k-12 school) even if they see your weapon during a car search they can't do jack. Were they to tell you that you couldn't or find a convenient excuse to let go of you shortly after a call to Mr. Relford would be appropriate.

 

[Concerned Citizen]

Unless you're talking about a place specifically prohibited (like a k-12 school) even if they see your weapon during a car search they can't do jack. Were they to tell you that you couldn't or find a convenient excuse to let go of you shortly after a call to Mr. Relford would be appropriate.

You sure about that part in bold above? See below:

IC 34-28-7-2
Regulation of employees' firearms and
ammunition by employers
Sec. 2. (a) Notwithstanding any other law and

except as provided in subsection (b), a person may not adopt or enforce an
ordinance, a resolution, a policy, or a rule that:
(1) prohibits;
or
(2) has the effect of prohibiting;
an employee of the person,
including a contract employee, from possessing a firearm or ammunition that is
locked in the trunk of the employee's vehicle, kept in the glove compartment of
the employee's locked vehicle, or stored out of
plain sight in the employee's locked vehicle.

 

[CTS]

I'm pretty sure that if they had to search his vehicle to see it, it would be considered stored out of plain sight. If you can't see it with the windows up and the doors locked I doubt you would have a problem qualifying your storage location as out of plain sight. Like I said though, it has to be a place that does not have some type of special exception though and I would want to talk with an attorney if there were any level of doubt in my mind.

 

[DragonGunner]

I work at a company with a no guns at work policy. When they passed the law a couple years ago(I presume the one that is mentioned earlier in this thread)...they sent an email saying 'nothing changes, we'll get back to you'.

Now the rule states 'in your car, in a metal case, bolted to floor, locked, with ammo not in gun' or something like that.

Thats OK. I'll never need it. The 'No weapons of any kind allowed on premises' sign will take care of everything for me. So no worries.

We have a work policy "No Guns On Property".....its meaningless. A bunch of us carry to work an leave in our trucks. The superviser went to HR and asked them if they knew the law changed and we could bring our guns....they said yes, they didn't like it but nothing they can do.

There other rule has to be metal case, bolted to floor....holds no water either.....If I worked where you did I would be bring mine.

Got a friend that still argues that we can't take guns to work, its in "their" policy and the lawyer said the boss could fire anyone that didn't obey it, so his boss told everyone anyone caught will be fired. Told friend he was wrong, but he keeps getting mad and said the "Lawyer" wouldn't lie and would know the law!!!! I told him they had a STUPID lawyer and if they fire someone because of it they might be going to court.

 

[maxmayhem]

Not a crime to have a gun at work...not against the law to fire you for having a gun at work even if you are legally carrying a gun...dont ask dont tell...if you have to choose between being dead or fired then I suggest you choose the latter. Then again having a job is pretty important. In a hospital, i would suggest deep conceal carry like under your balls LOL. I would say it is very taboo here so gun=fired with no unemployment

 

[maxmayhem]

my wife was told that she could have a gun in her car at the hospital where she works but it has to be unloaded...she travels through some really rough areas on the way home...we are going to be getting her a ltch on the next paycheck

 

[maxmayhem]

because you are legally carrying does not mean that they cant legally fire you...it is their policy and their property...if i told you that you could not carry a gun on my property then you could not...it is my property...a little different because i have a residence and not a business...but the concept is the same

We have a work policy "No Guns On Property".....its meaningless. A bunch of us carry to work an leave in our trucks. The superviser went to HR and asked them if they knew the law changed and we could bring our guns....they said yes, they didn't like it but nothing they can do.

There other rule has to be metal case, bolted to floor....holds no water either.....If I worked where you did I would be bring mine.

Got a friend that still argues that we can't take guns to work, its in "their" policy and the lawyer said the boss could fire anyone that didn't obey it, so his boss told everyone anyone caught will be fired. Told friend he was wrong, but he keeps getting mad and said the "Lawyer" wouldn't lie and would know the law!!!! I told him they had a STUPID lawyer and if they fire someone because of it they might be going to court.

 

[CTS]

my wife was told that she could have a gun in her car at the hospital where she works but it has to be unloaded...she travels through some really rough areas on the way home...we are going to be getting her a ltch on the next paycheck

It doesn't have to be unloaded.

because you are legally carrying does not mean that they cant legally fire you...it is their policy and their property...if i told you that you could not carry a gun on my property then you could not...it is my property...a little different because i have a residence and not a business...but the concept is the same

You're correct about carrying in the actual workplace but unless they're working at one of the places exempted by the law they're allowed to keep a firearm in their parking lot and the employer can't enforce a policy that says otherwise.

Maybe you missed this:

The Indiana Law Blog: Ind. Law - "Indiana gun bill is signed into law: some businesses weighing legal challenge"

It's a bit of a compromise between their right to not have them on their property and your right to be armed while you're traveling to and from work.

 

[stephen87]

Not a crime to have a gun at work...not against the law to fire you for having a gun at work even if you are legally carrying a gun...dont ask dont tell...if you have to choose between being dead or fired then I suggest you choose the latter. Then again having a job is pretty important. In a hospital, i would suggest deep conceal carry like under your balls LOL. I would say it is very taboo here so gun=fired with no unemployment

They can fire you if you're carrying, not so much if it's just in your car how it is legislated then they cannot fire you.

I work at a company with a no guns at work policy. When they passed the law a couple years ago(I presume the one that is mentioned earlier in this thread)...they sent an email saying 'nothing changes, we'll get back to you'.

Now the rule states 'in your car, in a metal case, bolted to floor, locked, with ammo not in gun' or something like that.

Thats OK. I'll never need it. The 'No weapons of any kind allowed on premises' sign will take care of everything for me. So no worries.

They cannot make any rules on how they must be stored. I store mine in a lock box below the seat loaded.

I work at a refinery and we cannot have firearms in our vehicles, even if in locked case. Dogs come around periodically checking for guns, drugs or alcohol. If I want to go shooting right after work I have to park couple blocks away off company property. I have no issue with their security requirements. Just inconvenient.

What IC prevents you from doing so? If it's not in the law, then they are breaking the law by creating measures to prevent you from doing what is legal, imho.

Hospitals (other than a VA) aren't on the prohibited list.

I still wouldn't tell anyone though.

A publicly funded hospital with a secured and lock mental ward that is staffed 24 hours by LEO is also on the list of prohibited areas.

 

[DragonGunner]

because you are legally carrying does not mean that they cant legally fire you...it is their policy and their property...if i told you that you could not carry a gun on my property then you could not...it is my property...a little different because i have a residence and not a business...but the concept is the same

Sorry but you are wrong, way wrong. The law is on your side for your property. Business property where you and I work are different and the law protects my right to have a gun in my car whether the employer likes it or not, they have no say. If they fire me, state law trumps their policy, and that is unlawful and will have a day in court.

 

[bsinger82]

Don't ask don't tell

 

[actaeon277]

What IC prevents you from doing so? If it's not in the law, then they are breaking the law by creating measures to prevent you from doing what is legal, imho.

IC doesn't.
Dept. Homeland Security does.
"sensetive installations" suich as refineries, powerplants, ports, etc.

 

[Concerned Citizen]

so what is law can i carry at in car

Can you rephrase the question? It's not very clear as to what you are asking.

 

[dansgotguns]

so what is law can i carry at in car

Hmmm let me see if I can crack this one... What is law, law is basically a rule you have to follow...or else. And can you carry at in car? Hmmmmmmm I've never heard of in car, but its not listed as a place you can't go by Indiana state code, that is if this in car is in Indiana. but I'd your asking what law says you can carry in a car, than there isn't one. Para just say where you can't carry not where you can. I learned that here at INGO

 

[Mr.Johnny]

@Dans4420.
We probally work in the same mill! There are federal laws governing the waterways. Where I work touches Lake Michigan. This is why I an told I can not bring a firearm onto their property. Some kind of marine laws.

 

[Paul30]

The reason they passed the law for storing your gun in your vehicle at work is that it is useless if it's not with you. Your employer may be able to tell you not to bring it in their building, but unless you are in a prohibited area you can legally store it in your car. I would make an effort not to make it seen. You don't want someone parking next to you seeing you pulling it out of your purse and putting it in your console as it might get unwanted attention. As far as helping another coworker, a copy of the IC that covers storage at work might anonymously make it accidentally into her purse or personal locker etc. The purpose is so you don't lose your right to protection to and from work. That said, pick your battles. Even if you are right, management doesn't like having it shoved in their face and can always come up with some other unrelated reason to fire you. I would lock it in my car, and not say anything as long as it was legal.