Greenwood mall shooting

[jamil]

Yes, those Soros prosecutors exist and would love to charge the Right-wing extremist, maniac, gun-carrying terrorist.
The media would be trying him first as well and he would not come across as a hero.

yeah, unfortunately activists in powerful positions of trust exist. And they're not trustworthy.

 

[jamil]

Hold my beer.

I guess I don't know who that is but I can imagine the context.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I guess I don't know who that is but I can imagine the context.

Marion County prosecutor Ryan Mears.

 

[jamil]

He woke?

 

[Jaybird1980]

Please notice i am not correcting anybody.
I am not saying "you're wrong" to anybody.
I am not even trying to convince anybody.

I am just stating my opinion on one way to avoid getting a murder charge.
A murder charge is a big deal - a very big deal.
And it doesn't matter one bit if the charge is nonsense or not.

Kyle Rittenhouse agrees.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

He woke?

Never met a criminal he didn't want to put back on the streets ASAP.

 

[ljk]

Never met a criminal he didn't want to put back on the streets ASAP.

Greenwood Park Mall is right on the Johnson county side of Marion county/ Johnson county line(hint the name of the road is "County Line Rd").

If it's located on the north side of the same road, it will fall in Ryan Mears' jurisdiction.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Greenwood Park Mall is right on the Johnson county side of Marion county/ Johnson county line(hint the name of the road is "County Line Rd").

If it's located on the north side of the same road, it will fall in Ryan Mears' jurisdiction.

Oh I'm very familiar with it. Lifelong southsider here. Jamil was just acting if Ryan Mears was woke. No connection to this case.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Marion County prosecutor Ryan Mears.

While not a fan of Mears and his refusal to prosecute some cases that I firmly believe should be, I will also say that sword cuts both ways. He has not filed some self-defense cases that I would characterize as questionable. I've seen a few charges come out of his office I disagree with, including a self-defense against an unarmed attacker where I though disparity of force was obvious. While he exercises his prosecutorial discretion in a manner that I find disheartening, he has not overreached on trying to wrongfully prosecute self-defense cases vs armed suspects in my experience.

This, again, does not make me a fan of his nor does it mean I wouldn't prefer someone else in his seat, but fair is fair.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Kyle Rittenhouse agrees.

So does Zimmerman. But, again, apples vs orangutans.

Remember how often I pound on the idea of narrative building playing a key role in criminal justice decisions? Rightfully or wrongfully, "went looking for trouble" is a powerful narrative and much easier to spin for political gain vs the "reluctant hero" who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time but stepped up to the plate to save lives. Same as the "you'll get arrested for stopping a school shooter" thread. You can't strip context and just lump them together and still draw any valid conclusions.

 

[Jaybird1980]

So does Zimmerman. But, again, apples vs orangutans.

Remember how often I pound on the idea of narrative building playing a key role in criminal justice decisions? Rightfully or wrongfully, "went looking for trouble" is a powerful narrative and much easier to spin for political gain vs the "reluctant hero" who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time but stepped up to the plate to save lives. Same as the "you'll get arrested for stopping a school shooter" thread. You can't strip context and just lump them together and still draw any valid conclusions.

I agree with all of that. I also think you are using to wide of a brush.

It is dependant

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I agree with all of that. I also think you are using to wide of a brush.

It is dependant

We're discussing a very specific incident in a specific context with the only key difference being if the bad guy gets shots off or not. I'm not sure what broad brush you assume I'm using, but what I've disputed is you're getting a Murder charge based on acting before bad guy fires the shot in this scenario.

 

[Jaybird1980]

We're discussing a very specific incident in a specific context with the only key difference being if the bad guy gets shots off or not. I'm not sure what broad brush you assume I'm using, but what I've disputed is you're getting a Murder charge based on acting before bad guy fires the shot in this scenario.

The quote I quoted and highlighted had nothing to do with your scenario.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

The quote I quoted and highlighted had nothing to do with your scenario.

There's a ongoing conversation, perhaps put it in that context. I get the difficulty of text based communication, and even more so if you pick it up midstream, but read the last several pages in one go and it seems pretty evident. Regardless, if there's some specific thing you'd like to discuss, feel free. Else I've no idea what broad brush you assume I'm using and figure we're not having the same conversation at this point.

 

[Cameramonkey]

While not a fan of Mears and his refusal to prosecute some cases that I firmly believe should be, I will also say that sword cuts both ways. He has not filed some self-defense cases that I would characterize as questionable. I've seen a few charges come out of his office I disagree with, including a self-defense against an unarmed attacker where I though disparity of force was obvious. While he exercises his prosecutorial discretion in a manner that I find disheartening, he has not overreached on trying to wrongfully prosecute self-defense cases vs armed suspects in my experience.

This, again, does not make me a fan of his nor does it mean I wouldn't prefer someone else in his seat, but fair is fair.

sounds like hes just lazy...

 

[I Invented the Internet]

Camera footage hasn't been released yet has it? I realize it may never be, but it might prove useful for training purposes.

*paging Active Self Protection*

 

[indyblue]

Maybe in districts with Soros prosecutors. Indiana? I suspect not.

People probably think this since all the grief Kyle R took. I agree about certain prosecutors though.

I think Rittenhouse was more of and edge case and highly publicized. We read about DGU all the time see how rare prosecutions of the "good guys" really are.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Camera footage hasn't been released yet has it? I realize it may never be, but it might prove useful for training purposes.

*paging Active Self Protection*

Chief said outright it would never be released for the dignity of the deceased and out of respect for their families.
It would be telling to see the video of Eli's performance with the perp (and victims) blacked out though.

 

[nonobaddog]

We're discussing a very specific incident in a specific context with the only key difference being if the bad guy gets shots off or not. I'm not sure what broad brush you assume I'm using, but what I've disputed is you're getting a Murder charge based on acting before bad guy fires the shot in this scenario.

Well, you did kinda try to mush it up by including "every defense shooting"... but I will not go along with moving the goal posts that far.

So you think every self defense shooting that happens in this state let the bad guy shoot someone first?

 

[ljk]

I have seen the bloody uncensored pictures of the dead perp, they had been out from day one. But I'm surprised this day and age, nobody had put their own videos on the various social media outlets.

I believe the video mentioned by the chief and Guy were from the mall security cameras. The Simmons really enjoy their Gun Free Zones, releasing the video is against their belief.