Gary Reserve Officer ND - Shoots Self and Partner

[MPD179]

The guys they are talking about in the article are "reserve officers" and have no training compaired to the full-time LEO's. The full time guys banned together and tried to shut the reserve program down with little success. This isn't the first time the reserve program has brought embarrasment to the full time LEO's.

A few years ago, the Gary Police FOP lodge sent letters to surrounding agencies warning about how untrained these guys were and they felt they put the public in danger. Most of the reserves never had LEO training (40hr pre-basic, state mandated training, etc) . Needless to say, most of them (reserves) were political hires. They did downsize the program but only got rid of the people that weren't connected to the city politics.

GPD is over worked & the lowest paid force in Lake County! They do have a good group of guys & gals there that are top-notch but the city will lose them if changes aren't made. As far as the low test scores at ILEA.... GPD is well known for not hiring the best candidate for the job. Being from the city trumps all in the selection/promotion process!

 

[bigus_D]

Guns DO go bang when triggers are not touched.

I won't dispute that fact.

That said, if there was a way to prove it, I'd bet $1,000 that this guy pulled the trigger. That is FAR more likely than an actual AD. There is no doubt in my mind that this was a ND. He was probably trying to find the safety or the decocker or something.

 

[JetGirl]

Seriously unfamiliar with Glock's design...did the guy have his booger hook on the bang switch or can they discharge when a mag is slapped in if the planets are aligned correctly and you're holding your tongue just right...?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

That said, if there was a way to prove it, I'd bet $1,000 that this guy pulled the trigger.

Don't pay the vig!!! Safe bet.

 

[Silvertree]

I have been around two weapons that discharged without the triggers pulled. In one case I was closing my old Browning Citori while shooting trap. When I closed it, it went off. There was a mechanical failure and it had to be sent back to Browning.

The second weapon was my fathers Rem 700. It started going off when the bolt was closed. Something broke in the trigger mechanism.

While this guy probably pulled the trigger, just know it can and will happen. And I will say this, it is a scary f@$cking feeling when it happens. I am glad my father drilled into my head exactly how to handle a firearm at all times.

 

[guntrader#1]

and we are the ones who need to apply to carry a gun??????

 

[ATF Consumer]

Is this another cop bashing thread I can jump in on

 

[bigus_D]

Is this another cop bashing thread I can jump in on

Sometimes it is just too easy.

 

[dagibson1507]

They don't even need sand barrels. At new castle prison when I worked there they had a device to put the barrel in to make sure the chamber was empty before it was returned to the armory. It was the size of a small coffee can mounted on the wall. Would only take one shot before the rubber insides needed replaced. So like a sand barrel but much more conveinant.

 

[Flyfishtrip]

Is there an official difference between a ND (negligent discharge), and an AD (accidental Discharge)? Or are they the same thing?

 

[Joe Williams]

Is there an official difference between a ND (negligent discharge), and an AD (accidental Discharge)? Or are they the same thing?

ND = you did something stupid, and fired the gun without intending to.

AD = gun malfunctioned and fired, without you intending it to.

 

[Drail]

Even if the gun "malfunctioned and fired when you didn't intend it to" you still have control over what it is pointing at. If you cannot follow that one simple rule you should not be handling firearms.

 

[Joe Williams]

Even if the gun "malfunctioned and fired when you didn't intend it to" you still have control over what it is pointing at. If you cannot follow that one simple rule you should not be handling firearms.

Precisely. An AD is no excuse for shooting someone.

 

[rfontes]

this reminds me of when plexico burris shot himself in the foot @ that night club, personally i prefer a manual safety... i never much cared for the integrated trigger safety..

 

[Prometheus]

Gary cops... you guys remember 2 years ago when the gary cop shot and killed his partner at Debs in Hammond.

Same thing, gLock fo-tey.

Idiots.

 

[wag1911]

this reminds me of when plexico burris shot himself in the foot @ that night club, personally i prefer a manual safety... i never much cared for the integrated trigger safety..

Burris was carrying his pistol 'Mexican style' with nothing to guard the trigger and it slipped down through his pants. If the gun had a safety it too could have been popped off 'safe' while falling through his pants.

The smart way to carry would have been to use a holster to guard the trigger.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Even if the gun "malfunctioned and fired when you didn't intend it to" you still have control over what it is pointing at.

True, but bullets bounce off stuff and find soft, fleshy resting places.

A sand barrel is a better resting place than another's body.

Remember this the next time you hear "just unload it in the parking lot."

Nothing magical about the safety sphere that cars radiate (according to range officers apparently).

 

[Yeti]

looks like they should be issuing these out:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQmnc71rAyk]YouTube - The Other Guys - Rape Whistle[/ame]

 

[LawDog76]

Shannon had a new .40-caliber Glock 22 semiautomatic pistol vehicle with him and he was "unfamiliar with" the firearm.

Every department I know has a policy against carrying a firearm you are "unfamiliar" with and haven't qualified with. I say can him.

 

[Captain Bligh]

Let's see. He had his hand in front of his own barrel which was pointed in the general direction of his partner. This is why Andy kept Barney's bullet.